On Sat, 3 Apr 1999, Steve Price wrote:

> On Sat, 3 Apr 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote:
> 
> # > Something that someone playing with bleeding edge bits should
> # > be willing to do, IMHO.
> # 
> # That's ridiculous. There's substantial work ongoing in 4.0 with enough
> # people involved that changing things around for the hell of it and not
> # sticking to broadcast times is just plain stupid. It's called 'dufus
> # engineering', or 'freshman humour' or some such. Just because it's
> # so-called 'bleeding edge' doesn't mean you can just integrate any old crap
> # and just say "well- it's bleeding edge". Harumph.
> 
> We are not changing it for the hell of it.  From what I gather
> David already has things ready and is just waiting for Sunday
> to come to commit the changes.  Committing them now gives much
> of the people who will work to fix things that get broken a
> whole day more this weekend to work on them.  This isn't 'dufus
> engineering' it is called advancing the state-of-the-art.  It
> has been a long time coming and needs to be done, sooner than
> later.
> 
> Just because the compiler changes doesn't mean development on
> the 4.0 branch have to stop.  We need to get this change in the
> hands of as many people as we can so that we can work out any
> remaining hitches.  Waiting another 24 hours == wasting another
> 24 hours, IMHO.

I don't like to disagree with you, Matthew, but the cvsup line to get
what you need is pretty simple.  This thing needs to get tested, asap,
and the weekend is a better time for it.  Your argument is basically
"do what you said" ... the rest, likening it to freshman antics, is
emotionalism.  We have a good reason to push ahead here, and an easy
recovery path.  Some folks might get surprised, but that seems like a
small thing, actually, because nearly all of them are reading this.

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