Yes, I agree. I'll ask re@ to change it.

On 07/24/11 20:02, Adrian Chadd wrote:
Something tells me that's a disaster waiting to happen. Eg, if
something happens, and the installer disk gets corrupted, people may
blame freebsd for being unstable, email questions to freebsd-* mailing
lists asking why X doesn't work (only for it to work when the image is
written out again), etc, etc.

If it's going to double as a live image versus an installer than maybe
have a boot option that mounts the root filesystem read-write
(complete with some fingerprint that says that the image has been
booted read-write at least once?)


On 25 July 2011 08:57, Nathan Whitehorn<>  wrote:
It does not. I had tried to match the behavior of the 8.x memsticks. It's an
easy change in /usr/src/release/ARCH/ to change it, however.

On 07/24/11 19:54, Adrian Chadd wrote:
.. wait, the install-off-USB doesn't default to a read-only boot?


On 25 July 2011 08:11, Claude Buisson<>    wrote:
On 07/24/2011 23:33, Nathan Whitehorn wrote:
On 07/24/11 16:29, eculp wrote:
I have been hearing about a new installer but I obviously have not
payed enough attention, I am afraid. I started running freebsd at 2.0
and never really had a problem with understanding the installation
program.  There is always a first time, I guess.

When booting I seem to get a screen that makes me remember installer
screens of the 1980s.  (They were not exactly intuitive.)

I somehow got the idea that the new installer was graphic.  Maybe
something like PCBsd that is not bad at all.  I use it on all our
employees computers.  Actually, after seeing this, I would love to
have the old installer back.  Is their an option for that?

Does this new ASCII installer have a "how to" with a bit of
information on the flow of the installation.

Can you please describe what you didn't like about it, and what you
would prefer be changed? "Reminiscent of the 1980s" is not really
helpful, especially given that the new installer in fact looks very much
like sysinstall, which you seemed to like.
Recently I installed a system from the "official" memory stick May
(FreeBSD-9.0-CURRENT-201105-amd64-memstick.img). here are a few remarks:

- the 1st thing I need to do is to configure the keyboard, as I am not in
US. This is needed for an install, but also for using it as a live
the keyboard configuration dialog is only a part of the installation

- the partition tool is too simple/rudimentary, compared to the old
dialog. I always want to have a total control of the partitions e.g. to
proper alignement. So one must use the shell escape or the live system,
which is
a regression.

- extracting the tarballs lead to (cryptic) errors: I discovered the hard
that I needed to execute a newfs.

- I followed a succession of screens asking me to do the usual
steps (hostname, clock, network - IPv4 only ?? -, users) and at the end I
back a screen asking me if a wanted to do the steps I had done just

- booting the installed system, I found that the hostname disappeared,
keyboard was not configured, nor the network, and so on

- during the whole process the screen was scrambled by the occurence of a
of LORs displayed on top of the dialogs/messages of the installer.

- the file system of the installer/live system seems to be too small,
leading to
a number of "system full" messages as soon a few files are written to it.

So the sole value added of the installer was the extraction of the

It seems that (on a memory stick which is writable) that every aborted
to do a configuration step leaves a "trace" in some files used by the
which is able to show it (e.g. the hostname) at the following attempts,
without garantee that it will effectively be used.

(On the other hand, the advantage of the memory stick is that the system
can be configured at will)

Referring to a thread I found recently a propos the documentation on the
media, I also want to say that a proper installer must be able to do its
without any Internet connectivity. There exist systems which are not
and networks without any communication with the Internet.

Claude Buisson
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