Doug Barton wrote:
On 12/3/2011 1:21 AM, Roman Kurakin wrote:
Doug Barton wrote:
[...] The fact that we have so many people who are radically
change-averse, no matter how rational the change; is a bug, not a
feature.
This particular bug is complicated dramatically by the fact that
the majority view seems to lean heavily towards "If I use it, it
must be the default and/or in the base" rather than seeing ports as
part of the overall operating SYSTEM.
You are right in general, except one small factor. We are talking
about bootstrap.
You realize that you just 100% demonstrated the truth of what I wrote
above, right? :)
Don't you really think that one would protect smth that he/she not
using? I hope no ;-)
People (and me one of them) just try to protect smth they like in a
system and they use.
If you are ready to provide alternative the number of people against
this change will
decrease to smaller list that don't like change habits or use smth in
much wider area.
CVS is used by many as the one of the ways to get
the sources to the freshly installed system to recompile to the last
available source. It will become inconvenient to do it through the
process of installing some ports for that. Especially if
corresponding ports would require some other ports as dependences.
I want to ask some serious questions here, because I genuinely want to
understand your thought process.
1. Do you install *any* ports/packages on a new system before you update
the source?
No. Usually base system is updated in a first turn. I even do not
install pkgs usually.
2. If so, why is installing one more unthinkable?
Sorry, but the previous answer was opposite. But despite of that, I do
not like additional
packages. I've started to use jails more often not only from a security
issue, but also cause
of the problems with upgrade. The more packages you have in the system -
the harder to
upgrade them if the last upgrade was not done recently. But this is the
other story.
3. Why is it a problem if the port/package you need to install in the
early stages has dependencies?
The amount of time you need to get and compile all the stuff. The first
packages I usually
install is the 'bash' and 'portupgrade'. I didn't ever count dependences
for just two packages
I need, but it is about 15-20 of them. I can do working system solving
the most of needed task
without both of them. And I do my job while they are installing (or
better to say their dependences).
If I need to fix some detached from the internet systems, I do not need
to keep the set of packages
for set of branches and for set of dependences just only sources, base
system, my hands and my
head.
rik
Thanks,
Doug
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