On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 6:41 AM, Julian Elischer <jul...@freebsd.org> wrote:
> On 10/9/13 2:35 AM, Freddie Cash wrote: > >> On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Alfred Perlstein <bri...@mu.org> wrote: >> >> You're right on the money, to be honest this is one of the reasons why >>> I've switched to using OSX as my desktop OS. >>> >>> zsh, vim, screen by default. and upgrades work. At the end of the day >>> I'm spending time doing work, not mucking about my workspace to make it >>> usable for development. >>> >>> I think this was brought up at BSDCan in the discussion about making >>> FreeBSD a more featured development platform. >>> >>> Speaking of... has anyone tried PCBSD? >>> >> >> PC-BSD isn't much different from FreeBSD. The installer is GUI and >> support >> ZFS, there are some GUI setup tools on first boot for X, there are some >> GUI >> tools to select binary drivers for X, and there are working pkgng repos >> available. >> >> I had a lot of issues with PC-BSD 9.0 and 9.1 as I was trying to do things >> "the FreeBSD way" which broke a lot of things that were done "the PC-BSD >> way" (aka don't manually edit config files used for booting). >> >> Switching to the "rolling-release" (aka PC-BSD 9-STABLE) and moving all >> my >> config file edits into <filename>.conf.local fixed my issues. Things have >> been running smooth, and I finally understand the beauty and simplicity of >> freebsd-update + pkg. OS gets updated once per month, packages get >> updated >> twice per month, no more compiling things from source. It's like using >> Ubuntu/Debian but with the power and features of FreeBSD. :) >> >> > > When they went to a ZFS-only system, using GRUB, with no alternative, then > I'm afraid they lost me. > I want a root filesystem on UFS for reliabailty and simpleness. I can > debug it's media if needed. > Before then I really liked it (though ther eis not enough information on > how it works interneally if you want to use it. > hopefully that will come.. and I LIKE PBIs FreeBSD should adopt PBIs for > sure. > With PBIs you could make even quite base items separately installable. > versioning problems go away. > There's no GRUB in a default install of PC-BSD 9.0, 9.1, or 9.2. Even on a ZFS-only setup (which is what I run). It's using the FreeBSD loader, with custom artwork and menus. There's also nothing stopping you from installing / onto UFS. At least, I didn't see anything that would prevent it when I installed it originally. Granted, that was with 9.1, so the installer may be different in 9.2. I tried to use PBIs, but really messed up the system doing so. /usr was just a directory on /, on a USB stick, and ran out of room. Tried various things to get it off / and b0rked the system. Even after moving to ZFS-on-root and getting away from filesystem limits, I still couldn't get PBIs to upgrade properly. Since moving away from PBIs, away from ports, away from pkg_* tools, and sticking strictly with pkg, everything has been running smoothly. The experience with pkg on PC-BSD gives me hope for FreeBSD again (too many issues in the past with ports and pkg_* tools, even when using only portmaster). For desktops, a binary-only system using freebsd-update and pkg is so much nicer. For servers, implementing your own freebsd-update server and pkg repo (via poudriere) is so much nicer. If I never have to compile a port on a remote system again, I will be a happy man. :) To each their own, of course. :) -- Freddie Cash fjwc...@gmail.com _______________________________________________ email@example.com mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"