On 19/01/17 03:16, O. Hartmann wrote:
> I created images on CURRENT of my own - they all lack in the ability of having
> the necessary tools aboard. So I consider every image useless for rescue
> operations except, maybe, the DVD image - but this one is not provided 
> anymore.
> For what reason? Time? Accepted. Space/disk usage? Well, welcome back in the
> stoneage of computer technology ... 
> I remember faintly that there was a small discussion on the @CURRENT list, but
> I didn't realize that the result would be the extraction of the compiler.
> Just for the record: most servers delivered to us do not have CD/DVD drives
> anymore - they are outdated and considered an extra these days. Purchasing 1 
> GB
> USB thumbdrives is getting even harder, smallest size my employer provides now
> is 2 GB. And most optical drives are DVD. From my point of view - and this is 
> a
> personal view - the "standard" is > 1GB so there is no need to break down by
> force the FreeBSD image (if size is the reason) down to < 800 MB or < 1 GB. 
> I'd
> consider having < 2GB the line of standards (2 GB USB mem drive).
> And for those, with need of very small images, smaller images could be 
> provided
> as the extra.

Installation media is not rescue media.  Perhaps there should be a
dedicated rescue disc that does not contain bsdinstall and the sets (we
used to have "fixit" media until at least 8.x days).

Everything else I have to say, I have said before:

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Subject: Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r
To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org
From: A. Wilcox <awil...@wilcox-tech.com>
Message-ID: <5785692e.8090...@wilcox-tech.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 17:03:26 -0500
In-Reply-To: <51734d0a-60da-6439-b5c1-1af14e740...@multiplay.co.uk>

On 12/07/16 15:58, Steven Hartland wrote:
> On 12/07/2016 21:50, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 01:39:34PM -0700, Conrad Meyer wrote:
>>> Maybe Tier 2 can deal with just bootonly.iso.  Or your machines should
>>> be dropped from Tier 2 if they don't support USB and we aren't okay
>>> with dropping disc1 support for all of Tier 2.

That is pretty much all SPARC hardware and a lot of POWER hardware.  Not
to mention newer rack-mount servers that have no USB on front (IBM).

And what of the servers that already have functional CD drives?  Do we
really now have to recommending buying SCSI/SATA slimline or USB DVD
drives just to boot installation media?  That's a heavy cost when you
can fit nearly all other BSDs on a single regular 650 (84 MB for NetBSD
7.0.1 + 223 MB for OpenBSD 5.9 + 385 MB for "TrueOS"/PC-BSD Server 10.3
= 692 MB, all sizes amd64 install iso including sets).

>> Not all BIOS can be boot from USB.
>> I am have Fujitsu notebook not support USB boot.
> From a USB Pen drive I can understand but from a USB DVD Drive that
> would be some seriously antiquated hardware!

I have a Core 2-era Xeon board (Wolfdale-DP, Intel 5000 based) that
cannot under any circumstances boot from a connected USB device.  It
won't boot from a USB DVD, USB CD, USB pen, or USB hard disk (USBMSC).
I hardly consider a server that is 7 years old "antiquated" though I
concede it is not the newest.

Beyond that, there are security issues with allowing servers to boot off
of any random USB device that an admin has lying around.  Most will be
configured by good admins to not do such a thing.

In summary: NAK NAK NAK.  USB is not a solution.  Bringing down the
bloat on disc1 or returning to miniinst is the proper solution.


A. Wilcox (awilfox)
Open-source programmer (C, C++, Python)

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