On Thu, 02 Sep 1999 15:42:56 +0200, Markus Stumpf wrote:

> The numeric id IS important.
> How do you think NFS maintains privileges across machines?

I have no idea how NFS works. :-)

I _do_ know that, if machines across the network need to know about
magical IDs on their peers, then it's nothing like how SMTP works, and
thus irrelevant to the username I think we should add.

> This also has nothing to do with emotions ... it's my experience from
> the time I worked at the computing staff at the univ, where we had to
> maintain a few thousand users on a few hundred machines of all types.

The tools which help you add users default to a minimum UID of 1000.  If
users have been added with very low UID's, they've been added manually.
This change won't be uncomfortable for people who have their hands that
deep into the system.

More to the point, though, who cares whether the user's ID is 25 on one
box, 12 on another and 2525 on a third? The _name_ is what we're looking
for, here.

> In some perspectives ($HOMEs, mail, standard programs, shared document
> space) the machines had to look and feel alike for the users.
> 
> We noticed that the predefined uids/gids on the systems were nearly
> useless for that tasks (as they were all different)

ID's _are_ useless for the task of look'n'feel. That's what usernames
are for.

> If in such an environemt the uid 25 is already used for some other
> service it's a pain to integrate new FreeBSD machines from the
> moment FreeBSD comes shipped with uid 25 allocated to a user smtp.

I'm not catering for people who create accounts with low UID's and then
try to

        1) Merge in master.passwd entries from subsequent FreeBSD
           releases without using their eyes.

        2) Install STABLE packages on RELEASE systems.

Ciao,
Sheldon.


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