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On Monday, 10 December 2001 at 14:01:53 -0800, Hiten Pandya wrote:
> hi all,
>
> this is a wild idea...suggestion...
>
> i wanted to ask if there were any _plans_ to port
> JFS (Journaled File System) to FreeBSD...
>
> as for JFS, it is developed by IBM for Linux and is licensed under
> GPL, so we could put this into src/gnu/

Well, JFS was developed by IBM for AIX.  If you look at the header
files, it is clearly derived from UFS.  They later developed a
completely new file system, JFS2, for OS/2, and later ported this
version to Linux.  It's also available for AIX, but the standard AIX
file system is still the old JFS1.

> It is used on IBM MainFrames and Enterprise servers for high
> performance and maximum throughput...

I don't think the zSeries (System/390) runs JFS.  As I said above, the
RS/6000 uses a different JFS file system.

On Monday, 10 December 2001 at 17:39:35 -0500, Matthew Emmerton wrote:
>> * Hiten Pandya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [011210 16:02] wrote:
>>> hi all,
>>>
>>> this is a wild idea...suggestion...
>>>
>>> i wanted to ask if there were any _plans_ to port
>>> JFS (Journaled File System) to FreeBSD...
>>>
>>> as for JFS, it is developed by IBM for Linux and
>>> is licensed under GPL, so we could put this into
>>> src/gnu/
>>>
>>> It is used on IBM MainFrames and Enterprise servers
>>> for
>>> high performance and maximum throughput...
>>
>> I'm glad you took the time to read the marketting literature.
>>
>> The problem is that porting it is going to be a bit more complicated
>> than just dumping it into src/gnu.
>>
>> Feel free to take a shot at porting it though, let us know
>> when you're done.
>
> I'm gainfully employed by IBM (although not for FreeBSD pursuits),
> and have had this on my TODO list for a while.

Well, I'm gainfully employed by IBM, both for FreeBSD and JFS.  I've
thought (and spoken) about this from time to time.  It would be a lot
of work.

> The licence issue is a real sticky point, especially since the GPL
> and BSD licences are like oil and water.  Because of the GPL
> licence, JFS support can never become part of the GENERIC kernel,
> and any related support tools will have to exist as separate
> binaries (newfs.jfs, fsck.jfs), as is currently done with the EXT2FS
> filesystem.

As others have pointed out, this is a detail.  The real question is:
will JFS2 buy anything?  The only real way to find out is to try it. 

On Monday, 10 December 2001 at 17:47:11 -0500, Anthony Schneider wrote:
> I'm no expert on journaled filesystems, but isn't the freebsd softupdates
> option similar?

No, at least not from a technical standpoint.  From a user standpoint,
they both try to make things faster and more reliable, but they do it
in very different ways.

>  perhaps there could be an upgrade to offer
>       options SOFTERUPDATES
> as an equal-but-different alternative to jfs?

And what would that do?

Greg
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