On 5/22/07, Olivier Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Some "freebsd-beginner" questions about how to maintain a production
server up to date day after day, with a practical example: now I have
to update a 6.1-based server from mysql 4.1 to mysql 5.0, minimizing
the downtime during the upgrade.

In the past under other OS'es I would have taken the mysql source,
compiled the whole, and then on upgrade time:
- stopped the services (httpd, etc.)
- mysqldump of all tables
- stopped mysqld
- removed the old version (+backup)
- 'make install'ed the new one
- started mysqld
- imported the db and restarted the other services
-> 2-3 minutes downtime, depending on the size of the databases

Now I can't really do that under FreeBSD: if I want to prepare (just
"make" in the ports directory) the mysql50-server part, it answers:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/ports/databases/mysql50-server]# make
===>  mysql-server-5.0.41 cannot install: MySQL versions mismatch:
  mysql41-client is installed and wanted version is mysql50-client.
*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/ports/databases/mysql50-server.

So I can only do that after the installation of mysql50-client, which
means all the services will have to be stopped during the compilation of
mysql50-server, which usually takes some time.

Isn't there a better way?  How do you handle such cases?

Same questions for php upgrades: on php5 upgrade, all the other php5-*
packages have to be compiled too, and keeping the webserver running
during this time is probably not the best idea.

You raise a very good question. Concurrent versions have
been a major feature of some enterprise-class package
management systems for years now. Through local hacks,
FreeBSD ports only enable us to achieve that in a tiny
amount of cases (e.g. you can have multiple [but fixed]
versions of autoconf installed at the same time).

To make the feature available on a larger scale, we'll
need to rework much of our current infrastructure. E.g.
most probably we'll have to install ports into dedicated

This springs has already reignited many talks about the
ports system. Let's hope we'll see some substantial
results by the end of the year.
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