> On Jan 19, 2016, at 09:21, Joe Nosay <superbisq...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> of how self-centered and selfish all of you are.

(Removing @FreeBSD.org hat and also removing some of the individuals on the 
mailing lists and moving the public mailing lists to BCC)
Hi Joe,
        It’s difficult proposing things like you are and have been in the past 
(especially when the world is very much driven by currency). I thought that the 
idea was a noble social endeavor, even if it was a bit rough planning wise to 
commit resources to in what you had presented. The FreeBSD community (in and of 
itself) has a limited number of resources tackling several issues on multiple 
fronts (many of which might be encouraged/driven by our employers), and not all 
of us might have your interests and ideas in mind for FreeBSD (diversity of 
thought). My focus and interests in FreeBSD are stability, quality of the 
operating system, testing, repeatability, etc. My days of tinkering with Unix 
on a desktop or laptop (anything non-ChromeOS, non-OSX, or non-Windows, e.g. 
FreeBSD, Linux, OpenSolaris) came to an end a couple years ago because I’ve 
found that running Unix (in particular X.org based Unix) is a time sink that I 
no longer am interested in committing to (I’ve run Fedora/Gentoo Linux on 
desktops/laptops with limited success as well as FreeBSD with limited success 
on laptops over the years [*]), especially when other vendors (Adobe in 
particular) look at Unix and decide to decommission support for their products.
        Outside of my “9-5” (in reality 10+ hour days), I focus on friends and 
social and political issues that have been impacting communities that I’m a 
part of (LGBT issues, #blacklivesmatter issues, housing issues in Seattle, 
etc), as well as myself personally (self-care is a good thing to practice to 
avoid emotional, mental, and/or physical burnout).
        Like I recommended before in private, I think you need to find the 
right audience of people who understand and have similar interests in what 
you’re trying to achieve in order to discuss and cultivate your ideas with, and 
bring it to the maturity that it needs to be at in order to be accepted and 
adopted. Having a team of advocates to work with will help with your endeavor. 
What you’ve proposed before is not a simple undertaking: it involves several 
moving parts that aren’t currently available as well as a vision to drive these 
from design to end-result, unless you have an engineering organization that you 
can fund (or lots of sports drinks and long sleepless nights to commit to in 
order to achieve the work… but beware — this leads to burnout).
        I really hope whatever living situation you’re dealing with improves. I 
can empathize with it having been exposed to several friends and acquaintances 
who’ve been at the short end of the stick lately housing wise in the Seattle 
area.
Take care and I wish you the best, whatever the outcome.
-NGie

* The best laptop experience I’ve ever had was FreeBSD on an ASUS Netbook 4 
years ago, which (unfortunately) was completely underpowered and underspec’ed 
(all of my other laptop experiences have been utter failures due to proprietary 
drivers, lack of suspend/resume, reliable wireless support, etc). It couldn’t 
build FreeBSD ports reasonably, and the wired NIC port wouldn’t properly reset 
the PHY every time I unplugged the cable on it (so once I unplugged the CAT6 
cable it would stop transmitting data). Eventually I donated the Netbook to 
someone else because I had far too many computers to split my attention 
between. On the bright side, I got it to do source builds, wireless, suspend 
and resume (on i386 which was unheard of back then… thanks jkim@!!), and 
fluxbox on a tiny 12” screen — which was better than PCBSD at the time :)!
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