On 12/7/2017 5:43 PM, Stari Karp wrote:
On Thu, 2017-12-07 at 07:51 -0500, Baho Utot wrote:
On 12/07/17 04:30, Johan Hendriks wrote:
Op 07/12/2017 om 00:51 schreef Mel Pilgrim:
In the midst of all the negative noise, I thought I'd post and
say
thank you for bring in this feature. I've been chomping at the
bit to
try flavours out since I heard about them. I started flavouring
my
company's internal Ports Tree extension the evening after it
landed.
Flavours are going to reduce 18 server role metaports to 3.
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Do you have a web page where flavours are explained nicely for non
technical FreeBSD users so that they can also see the benefits of
flavour. I think it is a little odd that a big change like this is
not
mentioned in any way on the front page of FreeBSD.
I really believe things are better this way albeit i did not read
and
understand it in a whole. I also believe flavours are nice in a
multi
server envirement and on the desktop.
The negative noice comes from people who USE FreeBSD on a single
machine
or maybe 2 and are now confronted with there old habbits not
working
anymore.
Give those people a walkthrough how they can run poudriere. Best
without
out a server but just a oneliner they need to remeber for future
updates. They do not want to spend too much time reading and trying
to
update there system.
If FreeBSD has done that i think that was lot less negative noice
on the
channels.
Secondly I want to thank you all for the great product FreeBSD is
and it
is a great product thanks to all the time people infest into
FreeBSD.
So thank you all. But i also hope FreeBSD learns from these big
changes.
If FreeBSD want a larger userbase, single machine users are there.
And
they do not want to spend an hour reading through a poudriere man
page.
They just want to type pgk upgrade, portmaster -d -a, or maybe
poudriere
update ports for all that matters.
users also don't want to wake up to the fact that what worked a few
days
ago not is working ie fetch/update port repo run synth and then get a
"
What the fuck has just happened now" only to be put down by the so
called folks in charge here for even asking.
I understand your frustration but I am happy with Synth and Mr. Marino
made patches extremely fast. I updated everything with success.
John new "port system" looks really good it may well be the wave of the
future, if it gets a little support. check out
https://github.com/jrmarino/Ravenports
and
http://www.ravenports.com
Of course it will need to expand to other platforms, and expand the
number of packages in the ravenports system, but it looks like a good
alternative to ports.
Too bad I am moving from FreeBSD back to Linux or I would have a go with
it. I have been working on something that is similar to ravenports for
all my in house servers and desktops. I should have something working
by the end of the year. I already have a "system builder" completed
that builds and installs a scratch built linux base system. I will have
some "meta packages" that will allow one to install desktop machines by
installing one base package and one desktop package for a working
base/default desktop machine. That is how I setup my freebsd boxs (soon
to be linux boxs), desktop-lumina, desktop-kde and desktop-gnome. I
also have meta packages for server-mail, server-dns, server-file,
server-web and server-dhcp. Installing is simple as booting to the USB
drive, partitioning and installing ext4 filesystem(s) and then install
base and desktop-kde. edit a few config files and it's done. Same for
servers. If I want a dns and dhcp server all I need to do is to install
base, server-dns and server-dhcp and edit a few config files and I am
good to go.
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