(please tell me this is just a dream, and this thread really isn't
happening and I am not participating...)

++ 28/12/02 08:45 -0500 - Harry Tabak:
|       I am not sure which list is best for this issue, hence the cross
| posting.  I believe spam and anti-spam measures are security issues --

The list appropriate for this is [EMAIL PROTECTED], and I'm not
sure this even belongs on a FreeBSD mailing list.

|       I recently discovered, and quite by accident, that a FreeBSD ported
| package -- spambnc (aka Spambouncer or SB) -- was blocking mail from me
| to an unknown number of businesses and individuals on the internet. I'll
| probably never have to correspond with most of these people, but I'm a
| freelancer -- this may have already cost me a job. [Dear reader, don't
| be surprised if you or your clients are also blocked. I strongly suggest
| that you check it out.]

It's a port.  A 3rd-party package, FreeBSD does not control, but provides
if a user wants it.  It is not FreeBSD's position to say "this port does
<X> poorly" -- that is up to the user.  If somebody blindly installs
this port without looking at what it actually does, or knowing it
blindly blocks mail from large IP blocks, that is the user's problem.
Unfortunatly, we can't control the IQ of our users.

If my IP block was listed in spambnc, and I couldn't communicate with
someone because they chose to use spambnc without knowing the semi-evil
things it does, quite frankly I probably am lucky I don't have to
communicate with said person.

| me. They vouch for Inflow. They don't recommend it, but for a fee, my
| service could be switched to a different PVC, and I'd get an address
| from a different carrier. But of course, the new address could be
| black-listed on a whim.

If it's that important to you, do it.

You have discovered the big problem in spam filtering and mail flow on
the Internet.  It is discussed over and over on more appropriate lists
(spam-l, inet-access, nanog, etc).  The conclusion is eventually the
same every time:  yes, in a perfect world, we could only block the evil
spammers, never block a legitimate mail, and there would be no war.  If
somebody chooses to install this software, their loss.  Or maybe they
will block more spam than legit mail, and they don't mind.

I really hope we don't have to rehash this topic on a freebsd security
list, because it's completely unrelated to freebsd.


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