On 7/27/06, Giorgos Keramidas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 2006-07-26 18:59, Gerard Seibert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Darrin Chandler wrote:
>> Do you see that if support in 4.x had been based on open specs from
>> Adaptec that this issue would not exist? Adaptec is controlling your
>> ability to use their product, and that's the real problem. It's
>> consumer-hostile, unless you fit their perfect picture of
>> "consumer." You don't, so you're left in the cold.
> I think you are missing the point here. It is 'THEIR PRODUCT'. They
> can do with it as they wish. If you are unhappy with their product,
> then don't use it.

Darrin is not missing the point.  He is just making a different point,
which is (for many people, including me) quite valid.

> Most corporation are primarily interested in profits. Nothing wrong
> with that. I like making money, as I assume you do. Obviously they
> have weight the cost of producing FSBD compatible products and
> concluded that it would not be profitable to do so. Unless you could
> produce enough evidence to show them otherwise, I fear that you are
> simply beating a dead horse here.

If the technical specifications are open, there is *zero* support cost
for the hardware vendor.  They don't even _have_ to make a driver for
their hardware.  What they *can* do though is reply to requests for an
open source driver with: ``Piss off!  We have you the technical specs,
so you can write your own.  Our development and support costs would not
be justified, but here's the spec... give it your best shot.''

*This* is the point Darrin is trying to make :)

and if i may add, if they don't provide FreeBSD drivers for their
products, its their loss, they won't earn anything from FreeBSD users coz we
won't buy or stay away from their products. and i also think the reason they
are discontinuing support for FreeBSD 6 onwards coz they feel we are just
few and won't make a significant increase in their profit driven company,
one way of making us heard is by letting them know how many we are, why not
bombard them with request for support, IMO once they notice how many we are,
i'm pretty sure they'll give in.

just my 2  cents worth.
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