On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Alex Zbyslaw wrote:

But this will then only count from the first version(s) of FreeBSD which contain the periodic job. Then every machine running an earlier release would be a ghost.

Agreed, but any "active" counting will fail dealing with older machines, regardless ... this is something that should have been implemented / started *ages* ago ... we will never have "# of sales figures" we can market ourselves to vendors based on, but, we also have nothing in the way of "# of deployments" figures ...

I think the bottom line I see is that whatever you do, you cannot count everything. *If* some kind of counting could be done *now* using portsnap and cvsup servers that are amenable, then you reasonably quickly start getting some kind of count.

cvsup, i don't believe, will give us any #s, mainly since it doesn't seem to really provide any information:

# grep 68851 /var/log/cvsup
Apr 29 23:15:08 postgresql cvsupd[68851]: +4338 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(turbine.word-to-the-wise.com) [SNAP_16_1h/17.0]
Apr 29 23:15:13 postgresql cvsupd[68851]: =4338 [96Kin+3Kout] pgsql/cvs
Apr 29 23:15:13 postgresql cvsupd[68851]: -4338 [97Kin+3Kout] Finished 

The some kind of optional periodic job can also be rolled out and many months down the line it would start to produce potentially more reliable (i.e. higher :-)) figures, assuming ppl were amenable to running it. But if you have to wait for 6.3 or 7.0 or whatever, and then wait for the majority to adopt it, that's longer than I think you want to wait for some kind of answer.

... true, but if we *never* do anything, we'll never have numbers ... even if there is a 12 month or more adoption curve, that adoption period has to start *somewhere* ...

As far as ppl amenable to running it ... if the purpose was properly explained, with periodic reminders on the lists as to what the "Stats Project" was all about, and as long as the information being sent out is fully explain (ie. make sure ppl realize that nothing of a sensitive nature is being sent out), I think adoption would be alot easier ...

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