On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 05:36:28PM -0500, Kristopher Yates wrote:

> 
> >It takes some knowledge to grow peanuts.
> >If you want help, don't throw ignorance stones.
> 
> Hey dude,
> 
> You threw the first stone.  I'm not Jesus. I'll throw one right back 
> 'atcha, old man.

What stone?

> >> >By the way, those are pretty small drives.   I don't see any
> >> >on the market nowdays less that 18 GB and more likely larger.
> >> >Maybe you need some new hardware.
> >> >///jerry
> 
> After reading your initial response, I decided to create a new partition 
> and move the majority of /usr
> to it.  I dont have all day.  Problem solved.  I see in your last response 
> that we are agreeable technologically, at least as far as symlinking goes.
> 
> Waste not, want not.
> 
> ON a final note, democrats are just as corrupt as republicans.  Don't go 
> whining about milking the cow dry being a problem with right wing fascists. 
> Left wing libs do the same thing all the time.  Look at both sides of the 
> fence.  God Bless the FBI.  We should throw all the rich senators and 
> congressmen in jail.  Talk about ignorant stones.  I didn't know you 
> collected rocks!

Yah, but in this case there was a specific group and they liked
to be right wingers.   The don't qualify as honest conservatives.

////jerry

> 
> efilnikufecin and a long cold winter,
> 
> Kris
> 
> 
> >From: Jerry McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: Kristopher Yates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> >Subject: Re: growfs HELP
> >Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:17:17 -0400
> >
> >On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 01:54:26PM -0500, Kristopher Yates wrote:
> >
> >> Anyone else have any suggestions?
> >>
> >> I was thinking I could rewrite my partition table to what it was
> >> originally, then growfs using the empty partionable space.. but I dont
> >> exactly know how. I just had some docs I found online (URL is below).
> >>  Before I did fdisk -s, the 2.888GB was an empty partition of the drive
> >> where I could have created a new partition.. but instead I did fdisk to
> >> merge it all into the same partition.  The docs I read said to do that,
> >> then growfs..  I just didnt understand the vague explanation of doing 
> >the
> >> math to determine the correct number of sectors to pass to growfs.
> >
> >> The docs I was using: http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200111/growfs.html
> >>
> >> I know it is possible without doing all that you suggested.  It should 
> >be a
> >> matter of just executing growfs properly and I'm done.  Otherwise, it 
> >would
> >> be easier to just do a fresh install than to do all that you suggested.
> >> Makes sense to me.  I'd rather not have to reinstall.
> >
> >No, it is less trouble to do it the way I wrote.
> >Doing the dd stuff is harder and anyway, may not result in what
> >you want.
> >
> >Growfs is really not all that useful.
> >Remember that you have to have empty space in the slice right
> >contiguous to to the one you want to grow.   You cannot just grab
> >space from somewhere else on the disk and add it in.
> >
> >You could, if you have free space already within an existing
> >file system, move some diectories, such as /usr/local out of /usr
> >and put them[it] in the available space and create a sym link to
> >the new location.
> >
> >But, if it is unused space that has not been part of a partition, you
> >will remake the partition table with disklabel.  If the space is right
> >at the end of existing partitioned space, you might get away with it
> >without redoing everything, but it is kind of an unadvisable thing
> >to try, because what gets written back in the partition table for
> >the existing partitions just might not line up exactly with their
> >previous positions - you're expecting a new pointer to point to the
> >same place as the old one.  It could, but maybe a critical sector gets
> >mapped out in the middle things.  It would mess things up.
> >
> >So,
> >>
> >> My idea was to post here and get a better understanding, growfs and be 
> >done
> >> with it.  I didnt expect comments from the peanut gallery; ie.
> >
> >It takes some knowledge to grow peanuts.
> >If you want help, don't throw ignorance stones.
> >>
> >> >By the way, those are pretty small drives.   I don't see any
> >> >on the market nowdays less that 18 GB and more likely larger.
> >> >Maybe you need some new hardware.
> >> >///jerry
> >>
> >> Not everyone has a kush job at the SCNC working with universities.
> >
> >What do you know about SCNC?  Obviously nothing.
> >
> >>
> >> A) Why does a box that is just running NATD and portsentry need an 18GB
> >> hard drive and a faster processor?
> >
> >Whatever you want.
> >>
> >> B) Maybe you need to give me some money so that I may afford to build 
> >the
> >> fancy firewall/gateway that you suggest.  I almost appreciate your reply
> >> but found your final remark to be rather condescending.
> >>
> >> My hardware is fine.  It works and its all I have.  This firewall box 
> >has
> >> been online 24/7 since 1998 running FBSD just fine.  Blow the dust out 
> >once
> >> a year and "keep on trucking".
> >
> >Fine.
> >I have a couple of those right here.
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Michigan has the 2nd worst economy in the US.  I would think you would 
> >be
> >> more understanding of my situation.  Unfortunately, you have proven me
> >> wrong.
> >
> >Because the previous governor abetted by his psuedo right-wing cronies
> >in the state congress gutted the state's economy before he finally got
> >term limited out.
> >
> >
> >> Thanks to the FREEBSD community for continuing to be the leader in
> >> backward-compatible support for old hardware.  Long live the Pentium 60 
> >and
> >> the 640 ATA controller! ;)
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Kris
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >From: Jerry McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >To: Kristopher Yates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> >> >Subject: Re: growfs HELP
> >> >Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:45:37 -0400
> >> >
> >> >On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 03:26:27AM -0500, Kristopher Yates wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi everyone,
> >> >>
> >> >> First of all, glad to still be running FBSD after all these years.
> >> >>
> >> >> I tried following some docs I found online in order to make my /usr
> >> >> partition bigger and made it all the way to growfs -s, which is where 
> >I
> >> >got
> >> >> stuck.
> >> >>
> >> >> First of all, here was my original dilema, what I did, then a 
> >descript
> >> >of
> >> >> where I am regarding growfs problem.
> >> >>
> >> >> System (aka firewall): Pentium60 40M RAM 2 NICS, running 
> >FBSD4.5-stable
> >> >(a
> >> >> great firewall running 24/7 since OCT 2000.)
> >> >>
> >> >> I tried to upgrade (make buildword make installworld to 
> >4.11-stable).. I
> >> >> made the new world and installed the new kernel but not quite enough
> >> >space
> >> >> to do the last steps (mergemaster and then installworld).
> >> >>
> >> >> So I built a spare box, and installed FBSD on it.
> >> >>
> >> >> I put the hard drive from the firewall as secondary master, and a 
> >larger
> >> >> drive as secondary slave.
> >> >>
> >> >> * I ran dd and imaged the old drive onto the new drive
> >> >>
> >> >>   old drive seagate 1.2gb
> >> >>   new drive quantum 4.3gb
> >> >>
> >> >> * I put the new drive into the old faithful P60 (firewall).  It boots 
> >up
> >> >> fine running 4.11-p22 and is currently online as my firewall.
> >> >>
> >> >> What is left to do:
> >> >>
> >> >> Finish the 4.11 install which ended on make kernel 
> >KERNCONF=CUSTOMKERN..
> >> >I
> >> >> just need to mergemaster then installworld as single user.
> >> >>
> >> >> Obviously, /usr partition (/dev/ad0s1f) is basically full w/ 8.6MB 
> >free.
> >> >>
> >> >> ** soo.. I did some fdisk magic and got stuck on the growfs (final 
> >step)
> >> >in
> >> >> order to growfs /usr
> >> >>
> >> >> fdisk reports my 1 partition @ full size of disk but no idea how to
> >> >> properly use growfs.
> >> >
> >> >To use growfs you must have space in the slice contiguous with
> >> >the partition you want to increase in size.   It cannot just grow
> >> >anywhere.   You really did not want to move things using dd.
> >> >You really wanted to build the new file systems to the sizes you
> >> >want on the new disk and then use dump/restore to to the new
> >> >partitions.
> >> >
> >> >First, fdisk the new disk and put the MBR on it and create your
> >> >one slice on it and flag that as bootable.
> >> >
> >> >Then, use disklabel (in 4.xxx, bsd label in later versions of FreeBSD)
> >> >to create your slices and also make it write out the boot sector.
> >> >There is a block of examples in the disklabel/bsdlabel man page
> >> >that tells how to use dd to make sure a drive is clean
> >> >and then fdisk to make one slice with MBR and finally two disklabels
> >> >to create the bootable partition and then to edit the partition
> >> >table for all the partitions.   That group of commands is just what
> >> >you need.
> >> >
> >> >Then, do a newfs on each partition created (except swap) and
> >> >then make a mount point for them.   Mount the 'a' partition on
> >> >something like '/newroot' for example and then run dump/restore
> >> >to copy root
> >> >             cd /newroot
> >> >             dump 0af - / | restore -rf -
> >> >
> >> >Do the same dump/restore thing for each of the partitions/filesystems.
> >> >Make sure you cd in to the base of each mounted new filesystem
> >> >before doing the dump/restore and replace the '/' in the dump to
> >> >be each filesystem  - for example, for /usr, make a /newusr mountpoint
> >> >mount it and then cd to /newusr and do 'dump 0af - /usr | restore -rf 
> >-'
> >> >
> >> >When you get done, you will have a fully useable, bootable copy of your
> >> >machine on the new disk.   Move the new disk to the primary boot
> >> >position in your boot chain and start it up.
> >> >
> >> >By the way, those are pretty small drives.   I don't see any
> >> >on the market nowdays less that 18 GB and more likely larger.
> >> >Maybe you need some new hardware.
> >> >
> >> >////jerry
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Here is what I have:
> >> >> cylinders=8895 heads=15 sectors/track=63 (945blks/cyl)
> >> >>
> >> >> media sector size 512
> >> >>
> >> >> partition 1 sysid 165, start 63, size 8405712 (4104 Meg), flag 80
> >> >(active)
> >> >> beg: cyl 0/head 1 / sector 1
> >> >> end: cyl 1023 / head 14 / sector 63
> >> >>
> >> >> basically I need help filling in the following blank (/dev/ad0s1f ==
> >> >/usr
> >> >> slice)
> >> >>
> >> >> # growfs -s ______ /dev/ad0s1f
> >> >>
> >> >> as shown above, fdisk sees the correct geometry as 4104MB partition 
> >but
> >> >> /stand/sysinstall disklabel editor sees ad0s1 as 2888MB, which is the
> >> >> amount of space I thought I was to be adding to /usr via growfs.
> >> >Currently,
> >> >> my /usr slice is 975MB and really needs to grow. :)
> >> >>
> >> >> Please let me know what other info I can provide that will help you 
> >help
> >> >me
> >> >> solve this problem.  I have read man growfs and some docs online,
> >> >however,
> >> >> I'm stuck and dont know exactly how to resolve the problem.
> >> >>
> >> >> Much thanks,
> >> >>
> >> >> Kris
> >> >>
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