On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 05:58:28PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >On 26/03/07, Chuck Swiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>On Mar 26, 2007, at 4:40 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Folks, > >>> > >>> Last night it struck me that one reason I constantly find new > >>> ports to upgrade is that with ~17K ports, if you're running one > >>> of the more common desktop managers and several popular apps, > >>> there are going to be at least a dozen minor tweaks every day. > >> > >>Possibly, for a very busy program with multiple authors actively > >>making changes. Normally, projects accumulate such changes and only > >>release point version updates perhaps every month or so, and most > >>have updates available much less often than that. > >> > >>> E.g.:going from foo-1.6.7_2 to foo-1.6.7_3. > >> > >>Portrevision bumps commonly happen when an underlying dependency > >>changes; you generally don't get any changes to foo itself, unless > >>the program version itself changes. > >> > >>> I used to run > >>> port[upgrade|manager] twice/week. Was swamped; recently, > >>> upgrading things daily. Since a lot of the wm ports take > >>> > 24 hours to build/re-build, I'm pretty much wedged. Thus > >>> this suggestion (for all port/package upgrade suites): > >>> have a flag, say 'u' for "urgent" when *foo*" goes from > >>> foo-1.6.7 to -1.6.8 or else when/if foo makes a critical > >>> fix. > >> > >>There's an easier way: you can probably wait to rebuild ports until > >>you see something listed in portaudit's output, or you know you want > >>to update something being actively used to a specific known version > >>that you need. > >> > > > >Of course, Gentoo's portage system does all of this. > >Of course, Gentoo's portage system is a complete > >labyrinth of configuration files scattered over countless > >myriads (10^4) of subdirectories so that running a mixture > >of Holy-and-Blessed Versions and "testing" versions > >becomes a lovely game of tag combined with memory and > >$10,000 Pyramid, only fewer bleached-white teeth.
I've run several distros of Linux. Ubuntu is (or *was*) my favorite; they're getting carried away. ....(IMHO). > > > >I think the addition of portaudit for such a huge (~17K ports!) > >collection (and a much less strenuous upgrade cycle) is an > >excellent idea. > > > >-- > >-- > > Gentoo is a pain, but it's the only thing I can really run ("stable"-y) on > my Core 2 Duo box right now (desktop). Not ready to go straight to -CURRENT > on a desktop, quite yet.. I'll give it 6.2-RELEASE shot in a week. > > But anyhow, I do really like ports more, for all of its quirks.. it truly > is a better (simpler) system to deal with, and as long as some of the stuff > under the hood gets fixed soon, the better. For tuning things to your server, compiler, just the way you want it, yes. I'm still building tests for g**-4.2, and will post something when I have anything solid. > > Oh, but you shouldn't really have to worry about upgrading stuff all the > time Gary. There's no point in upgrading packages daily -- I used to do > that in Gentoo and all it did was waste precious CPU cycles and reduce the > life of my hard disk. > > Upgrades once to twice a week do just fine for many systems (unless you're > purposely running LINT for the entire ports collection -- which doesn't > exist quite yet :)..). Lint?!! Good grief, I haven't touched that for years. My trying-to-keep-current started when I had 6.2 firmly on my backup DNS server. I figured it would be trivial to have _everything_ current ... and ran smack into the consequences of complexity theory. I'll chill out and use portaudit! thanks, guys, gary > > -Garrett > > _______________________________________________ > email@example.com mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public Service Unix _______________________________________________ firstname.lastname@example.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"