On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:26:28PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2007-10-17 18:20, Gueven Bay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >2007/10/17, Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >>> while companies like Microsoft must publish in time to make the > >>> share holders > >> > >> not to mention that microsoft regularly has delays like year. > >> > >>> happy, FreeBSD can afford to wait until the programmers are > >>> convinced that their work is good enough for the public. > > > > Please, > > stop mentioning this company in every discussion that "seems" to > > "attack" *BSD in some way. > > That's not a bad suggestion, in fact. The development process of > Microsoft is not open to the world (like the one used by the FreeBSD > Project as a team), so there is no easy way to determine how similar > or different processes are behind the development and release process > of the two development teams. > > Educated guesses can always be made, but let's try not to compare apples > to oranges too much :) > > > Discussing M. - especially their development processes or business > > tactics - does not accomplish anything for us. > > True, in a way. > > > First acknowledge that FBSD 7 is late. The estimate was for 5 months > > ago. And if I say to someone I want to meet him at 8 o'clock but > > arrive 78 hours later, then I am late. Period. > > The release of 7.0-RELEASE *is* late. There are various reasons why > this has happened, but we are steadily getting there. We now have a > RELENG_7 branch, and things are only "merged from current" after > explicit approval by the release-engineering team. The branch is in the > hands of the RE team, and many issues which were plaguing "HEAD" during > the summer have been fixed now. > > > So, but the original question was : What is not working _now_ at this > > moment so that 7 cannot be released _now_ ? > > > > The original question was not (I repeat NOT): Which international > > conspiracy is holding up the developers of FreeBSD 7 from releasing? > > Without discussing M. or the Illuminati and U.F.O.s and with that > > guaranteeing that the original question will never be answered you can > > concentrate on answering OR you can take your "finger" from the reply > > button/menue point/whatever and wait that maybe a developer will read > > the original posters mail and answer it. > > > > With a curious eye waiting for a real answer to the original question... > > Traditionally, "BSD" has released stuff "when it was ready" and not when > some marketting team decided that they wanted to release. The FreeBSD > team has made genuine efforts towards changing this to a more timely > release schedule (18 months for a new "major" release), but there have > been some important bits of kernel and userland which were a bit > unstable and/or were in development until now. > > Without treading on the feet of the release-engineering team, by writing > stuff which they have not approved, let me just say that we have made a > lot of positive progress towards a release since last June/July and we > expect getting a release during the last remaining months of 2007. > > There's still a lot of work to do (i.e. ports to be compiled, tested, > fixed, or marked as "BROKEN" with the new gcc 4.X compiler suite), but > we're getting there.
Thanks for the update. It helps. ////jerry > > - Giorgos > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"