Chad Perrin wrote:
On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 03:34:26PM -0500, Chuck Robey wrote:
Chad Perrin wrote:
I might have agreed with this, except, I have lived for a good while
with the Gentoo "USE" lists, and I can tell you that having insufficent
control over what goes ontp those lists causes havoc both with the users
trying to select the proper wording of the lists, and the programmers
trying to decide how to have a particular USE keyword represent a
particular ports usage. You have to make certain that both users and
programmers have a definite, firm meaning in mind when they use the
keywords, because (in another's well chosen words) if you don't, USE
lists are a PITA. It takes firmer control of meaning to make certain
that the list doesn't devolve into that.
On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 08:23:23PM -0500, Chuck Robey wrote:
This makes a little file of descriptor words, but it's not set so a
regular editor can manipulate it; the special ports program is needed to
set or reset this list. All ports query this list in making the
decision as to whether or whether not to include a particular port as a
Ugh. As far as I'm concerned, everything that pertains to system
configuration should always be human-readable and editable without
special tools. Trying to insulate things from human ability to directly
manipulate them tends to lead to rapidly increasing difficulty of
This is actual experience talking, in this case.
I don't see how that translates into "the user should not be allowed to
view what's going on behind the scenes in a text editor if (s)he wants
I think you're becoming confused about who said what, because that
particular line (the last paragraph above) isn't anything that I wrote.
Tell you what, let's just let this branch of the argument die, until I
raise it again after I have the software ready to look at, on the ports
list. We should not be bothering the "-questions" llist with this.
At that point, I will prepare, in advance, use cases, all the
documentation, and the actual code, and everyone will get their chance
to rant and rave, alrighty? You can stop me cold, if enough folks don't
like the idea, that's how the development of FreeBSD goes, and I
wouldn't change a thing with that.
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