On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 02:41:08AM -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

> ...
>
> > > But how are you getting your source? What definition is it in?
> >
> > The back of the disc says: "Aprox 117 minutes"; so evidently it was
> > mastered in SP.    If there are *32* defs, man, I miht as well throw in
> > the towel and go back to my Shostakovich.  (Unless these definitions are
> > largely air (==  "PR stuff, aka hype).
> >
> 
> Hi Gary,
> 
>   You mentioned you wanted to record a 117 minute COMMERCIAL dvd.  Now,
> before I continue let me explain that doing so is illegal in the US.
> All commercial DVD's are encrypted and the DMCA makes decrypting of
> them illegal, it even makes it illegal to give someone a copy of
> a program that will decrypt them, it makes it illegal to even write
> and post online the source code to such a program. It is NOT illegal
> to print up such source code in a paper book and sell it - the authors
> of DMCA wanted to duck the 1st amendment -  Google DeCSS for
> an understanding of the controversy.
> 
>   With this in mind understand that CSS was broken years ago.  Because
> of this, the DVD producers figured out that copying wasn't much of
> an obstacle to the unwashed masses, particulary when free programs
> for Windows began to show up.
> 
>   Many people with children have found that they accumulate a large
> number of Disney videos.  They have also found the kids tend to scratch
> the shit out of them.  So there is a large interest in being able to
> copy these things and store the masters safely away, then give the
> kids the copy to destroy.  So all copying of commercial DVD's is not
> for piracy and I think people who assert this are moronic idiots.

You are so right.
Any backyard/foreign, etc software pirates have no problem defeating
the copy protections and merrily go their way making thousands of pirate
copies while ordinary folk out there who are copying for personal, home
use, such as backup (legal by the way) are the only ones hampered by 
these junky, anti consumer, schemes.

////jerry

 
> Further, with Disney DVD's, Disney lately has taken to inserting
> commercials for Disney cruise lines and other garbage into the DVD's
> that are NOT skippable with a normal DVD player.  Responsible parents
> do not wish their kids to view this crap and so naturally there is
> another reason to copy these - to remaster them to prune out these
> commercials so the kids don't view them.  Also illegal under the
> law as the copyright holder hasn't given you permission to do this.
> 
> ...
> 
>   Anyway, the fact is that none of the open source DVD copying
> programs can really deal with these advanced systems.  They can
> deal with CSS but that's it.  If your plan is to copy commercial
> DVD's for your own use, you should be aware of all this.  Right
> now, the most advanced DVD cracking programs that will deal with
> ALL of the perverted copy protection schemes in use are only available
> as commercial programs for Windows.  (Some trialware, some not)
> And none are available over-the-counter in the US, you have to
> download them from foreign websites.
> 
> Ted
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