> -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Frank Shute > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 5:51 PM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: Gary Kline; FreeBSD Mailing List > Subject: Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT. > > > On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:07:56PM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Gary Kline [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 3:14 PM > > > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > > > Cc: Kevin Downey; FreeBSD Mailing List > > > Subject: Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chill down a bit, okay? first, (as the OP), i did not know > > > thaat there was *this** great a disparity in thee rendering > > > between classes of browsers. i used to stick pretty close > > > to the w3.org (or whatever it was). i didn't think the > > > difference extended to how the <TABLE> stuff was parsed. > > > > > > > Gary, the problem is that the majority of people out there use > > IE, most IE7, but still a lot of IE6, and a few deihards IE5. > > > > Then there are the older versions of Safari on the Mac - there's > > still a lot of Mac's around that are running 10.2 believe it or > > not, and those came with MS IE for the Mac which -really- munges > > some pages. And Safari for Windows - which is a bit different than > > Safari on the Mac. > > > > And then there are all the Unix browsers. > > > > There are some test programs that can help. But the validators > > can tell you your code is right and it still will display differently > > in some of the browsers. The only way to do it is to do what > > the pros do - which is have all the different systems available > > and load their pages in those browsers. > > I test my pages with IE7, Safari on XP and Firefox on FreeBSD. Fixing > problems with IE6 or anything else is too much to expect from amateur > pages (which mine are). >
IE6 is the last MS browser available for W2K and even though W2K was out for only a short time, (compared to XP) unlike Win98, it is a real 32 bit version of Windows, and there's still a lot of it out there. Although, after the US economic stimulus checks are received by the general populace, I'm sure that will change somewhat. (I was very tempted when I opened the Fry's Electronics advert today and saw the Toshiba laptop, dual-core CPU, 1GB ram, 160GB disk with a DVD burner, going for $449.99) > > > > Telling people "my site is fine your browser is fucked, get a > > better one" is the mark of an amateur who is also being extremely > > presumptive. It's the old "do it my way or fuck off" > > You forget that Gary is an amateur. Hence, any complaints can be dealt > with "they validate, F off and get a better browser". (When he gets > round to making them validate :) > :-) He is an amateur - but his content isn't the sort of content that is a "must have" to where people will actually go to the trouble of loading a different browser to view it. (Hint: this is why virtually all church services are free to attend) > > > > This is what Microsoft tells people - and most FreeBSDers and > > Linux people claim they are on the moral high ground because they > > aren't forcing their stuff down people's throats - that is, > > until they create a webpage and then they have no problem forcing > > software down people's throats to see it, I guess.... > > I can't see anything wrong with telling people to use better software, > you're doing them a favour! It's obviously different if you're writing > pages for a commercial site. I'm not sure I follow that... > You should still write pages that > validate and there are various hacks you can use with CSS, the DOM and > Javscript to make your pages appear OK in older broken browsers...and > newer ones with bugs. > But why do you need to do those if your telling people to get a better browser... ;-) Ted _______________________________________________ firstname.lastname@example.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"