On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:29:48 +0200, "Redd Vinylene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Ok, this may be a bug in the makefiles then.  My apologies if you have
>> already written all that.  I caught the email thread some time after it
>> started, and I replied while being offline on a trip.
>
> Welcome back, I hope you had a pleasant journey!

Heh, thanks.  It was nice in a way :)

>>  * Which branch/version of the source tree are you building?
>
> I was going from 7.0-RELEASE to 7.0-STABLE.
>
>>  * How did you build everything?
>
> I put WITHOUT_GAMES="YES" in /etc/src.conf.
>
>>  * What was the _exact_ error message you saw?
>
> I don't remember exactly what it said. But it was just the same as
> it's always been -- make world erroring out because group `games'
> doesn't exist.

Thanks!  I got it tracked down to the reference to 'games' in the mtree
files we use to populate the installation tree with directories before
installing programs and data in them.  By looking at the differences
from 7.0-STABLE to 8.0-CURRENT the same problem exists in both branches.

>>> I don't see why the FreeBSD team has to insist on keeping this, pardon
>>> my language, bullshit. If some sorry guy actually needs this, why
>>> can't he load it as a module, or install a port?
>>
>> Insist on keeping what?  The fortune cookies and `/usr/src/games'?
>
> And all the other old stuff you can disable in in src.conf.

This is the same old argument about ``what should be in the base system
and what should be a port''.  I'm almost sure we can find people who
like fortune(1) in the base system, and I can certainly understand that
some people don't really care if it goes.

Making it easy to disable stuff in `src.conf' is sort of a middle-path
approach.  I can live with that for now.  If someone else comes along
and moves fortune(1) and the other src/games/ stuff in a port, I won't
really object either :)

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