On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Andrew Gould <andrewlylego...@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Adam Vande More<amvandem...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 2:32 PM, PJ <af.gour...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> I have (supposedly, as I am told by my bootup) upgraded to 7.2
> >> Wonderful. But how do i make this thing work. I've managed to do it on
> >> an amd64 on an ACER Travelmate 4400 running at 1600mhz.
> >> This box runs on 3ghz; Xorg comes up and the mouse is dead. Flashplayer9
> >> with linux-emulator f8 and all the tweaks does not work, acroread9 does
> >> not either,
> >> hal is useless. I've tried turning off the option AllowEmptyInput to
> >> off; i've tried starting hal - and when I run startx, the configuration
> >> file is the default built-in... I don't understand what the hell is
> >> going on... None of the solutions on google seem to work either...
> >> oh, but there is some sunlight in neverneverland... I can boot and I can
> >> install all kinds of files - funny, I don't want to play with this
> crap...
> >> and I certainly am not going to reinstall after all I have gone
> >> through... If I do reinstall, it will be another OS.
> >> If it all works on amd64, what's wrong with i386?
> >> I think it's time to switch to something more reliable.
> >>
> >> There's nothing wrong i386, at least in the regard you're suggesting.
>  Try
> > searching deeper within yourself for the issue.
> >
> > --
> > Adam Vande More
>
> I don't think that answer was helpful.
>
> PJ is not alone in frustration regarding 7.2.  For many users, it's
> hard to tell whether the balance of difficulties lies in bugs or new
> manual configuration requirements of 7.2.
>
> I think much of the frustration lies in our perception of "STABLE".
> When we upgraded from 7.1 (or 7.0), we expected a fairly smooth ride.
> I had frustrations related to X (hal), mounting drives (hal), printing
> (cups vs applications), and printing (gimp vs hpijs).  Yes, I read the
> (uncentralized) documentation.  I even posted the urls of a few pages
> on this list for others to find.  Again, the effort feels inconsistent
> with "STABLE" -- my perception only, I'm sure 7.2 meets a technical
> definition.
>
> Those of us who upgraded further, to 7.2p1 and beyond, faced
> additional challenges related to the change in the default version of
> Python.  Keep in mind, for many of us, this is all in addition to
> massive changes in KDE.
>
> Simply put, I had a much easier time when I installed 5.0.  Your
> mileage may have varied.
>
> FreeBSD is still my choice for web and database serving.  As for the
> desktop and printing, I will probably use Mac OS X until a few months
> after FreeBSD 8.0 is released.  And that's okay.  There is no law that
> states an operating system has to meet every computing need.
>
> Andrew
>

The answer was very help, depending on willing you are to take it.  Ports in
most cases has very little to do with what FBSD version you are running.
Blaming it on a version when it had nothing to do with the problem is
ignorant and harmful.  Some like myself think the arrogance of pointing
fingers on FreeBSD when it's clearly not at fault is a very poor approach in
many regards.  You'd need to man up and read the new X documentation on
whatever X platform you use anyway, it's not limited to FreeBSD.  Updating
libraries is a chore, no dispute there, but if it's such an issue that you
can't research it, stick to packages.  Neither of you have actually stated a
flaw specific to 7.2 Release.  Python upgrade needed to happen on any
version you wanted to take to 2.6.  There was also info to leave it
unchanged if you desired.

-- 
Adam Vande More
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