2010/3/4 Malcolm Kay <malcolm....@internode.on.net>

> On Thu, 4 Mar 2010 02:44 am, krad wrote:
> > On 3 March 2010 14:23, Malcolm Kay
> <malcolm....@internode.on.net> wrote:
> > > On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 08:44 am, krad wrote:
> > > > On 28 February 2010 15:42, Elias Chrysocheris
> > >
> > > <elias...@cha.forthnet.gr>wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday 28 of February 2010 15:26:54 Frank Shute wrote:
> > > > > > I've got a machine here running 7.2 which I want to
> > > > > > upgrade to 8.0 but looking at the root slice it is
> > > > > > woefully small:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > $ df -h
> > > > > > Filesystem    Size    Used   Avail Capacity  Mounted
> > > > > > on /dev/ad4s2    190M    146M     29M    84%    /
> > > > > > devfs         1.0K    1.0K      0B   100%    /dev
> > > > > > /dev/ad4s4    129G     15G    104G    12%    /usr
> > > > > > devfs         1.0K    1.0K      0B   100%
> > > > > > /var/named/dev
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've got a CD/DVD writer on that machine along with a
> > > > > > 100MB ethernet connection to my desktop.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How do I go about upgrading it? Dump/restore and
> > > > > > change the partition table?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any suggestions gratefully received.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes. The dump/restore should do the trick as long as you
> > > > > have another medium
> > > > > to store the dumps (such as another hard disk). You will
> > > > > store the images of
> > > > > your slices to the new medium using dump(8). You can
> > > > > then use FixIt console to
> > > > > re-partition and re-slice your hard disk and then
> > > > > restore(8) your images in the newly sliced hard disk.
> > > > > Actually, if you have another hard disk device, you can
> > > > > use piped dump/restore to copy the whole system from one
> > > > > disk to the other and make the second one your bootable
> > > > > disk. Of course you must have sliced the second device
> > > > > first.
> > > > > I've done this many times. The first was to remove an
> > > > > openSUSE partition I had,
> > > > > living in the same hard disk as my FreeBSD. The second
> > > > > time was to move my FreeBSD to another hard disk
> > > > > (physical device). The new disk became my boot disk.
> > > > > The third time was to move my system to another bigger
> > > > > hard disk device and at
> > > > > the same time be formated as ZFS.
> > > > > Now my system boots from this third hard disk device,
> > > > > having ZFS and the operating system is the same as that
> > > > > I first installed (of cource updated...)
> > > > >
> > > > > Elias
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> > > > You might well find it easier to use rsync rather than
> > > > dump. Just make sure you use the following flags
> > > >
> > > > rsync -aHP --numeric-ids
> > >
> > > This is a bit questionable for copying live fs. Probably OK
> > > if you use snapshots. Leaves you in very similar situation
> > > as doing backups with tar. These schemes also alter the
> > > access times on files (which I guess doesn't usually matter
> > > too much).
> > >
> > > But dump/restore is no more complex to use than rsync and
> > > manages snapshots for you, so why mess about with
> > > questionable schemes.
> >
> > I understand what you mean about live file systems, but in
> > this case its not a problem as he will be in single user mode.
>
> I'm not sure that single user mode avoids this problem.
> >
> > Also using the "a" flag means the modification times are
> > intact.
>
> I did not mention modification times but access times which I
> admit are seldom put to any use. It is very difficult for any
> utility to avoid altering these -- dump is the only exception I
> know of.
>
> Sorry i misread

>
> > I use rsync at work over 100s of systems and it is very
> > effective, and the noc find it far easier to recover small
> > numbers of files than having to go digging into dump files.
> >
>
> I've not found this too difficult even when working with
> compressed dumps.
>
> > The way we have got everything setup on a zfs backend mean we
> > can do incremental forever, as well which is much more
> > efficient than having to do regular level 0 dumps.
>
> Yes, rsync is great for updating incremental changes but
> this is quite irrelevant to the OP's problem.
>
> For backup it seems this also somewhat reduces the effectiveness.
> For example when you are asked to recover the original of a file
> that was changed before the lastest backup. Many of us think it
> desirable to regularly archive complete backups.
>
>
This is not a problem in our scenario as the backend storage is zfs and all
underpinned with snapshots. This enables us to retrieve and file from any
day for the last x days dependent on the retention period.



> But each to his own; backup methods and strategies have always
> been something of a controverial issues.
>
> >
> > > Malcolm Kay
> > >
> > > > I use it in our backup setup at work, and have restored
> > > > countless freebsd boxes.
> > > >
> > > > When you repartition the drive remember to add the boot
> > > > blocks
> > > >
> > > > eg
> > > >
> > > > fdisk -B ad0
> > > > bsdlabel -B ad0s1
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