first of all, sorry by my English

I am agree with people who says take courseworks, and those who say learn
your self, I did both, but first I had to learn on my own, and thatīs really
a very, very hard task to do! ;) and I only recomend it if you are some kind
of Indiana Jones and have time enought to dedicate it . The benefits of self
teaching I found, were the goals. The first time I made a pointer works were
the hapiest day of my life!!! and the first program I made can you imagine!?
Another thing to point to is the fact that someone who learns on his/her
own, has a more accurate knowledge regarding errors mesages, time compiling
messg, and almost any kind of the most strange errors messg that never occur
on the real life !! :)

I really like self teaching, altough every time I can, I take as much
courses as possible.

I learnt many things in that way, the first people who showed me Linux said
three things
Thatīs the way you get in
Thatīs the way you get out
Thatīs the way you get help!
Now I at the same time Iīm using Linux, I use FreeBSD too.

By the way... now Iīm dedicating time to asm.
Thatīs really, really hard!!



Again... Sorry by my English! :)

----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: Another Newbie Question: C or C++

> >
> > >I would recommend not trying to learn C or C++ by yourself from a book.
> > >The fastest (and best way) to learn the right stuff is to take
> > >from a university or community college.
> >
> > >If the courses are any good, you'll get feedback, and you'll be paced
> > >and challenged with projects designed to help you learn.
> > >
> > >Going it alone in an unguided environment will only familiarize you
> > >the lesser aspects of a language, if you last that long. The difficult
> > >and most important aspects of the language (like pointers, virtual
> > >functions, references) will become almost insurmountable
> > >obstacles if you try to teach yourself.
> This is a good point.  The person who takes a class should (prividing the
> class is well done) be guided through the whole range of the language.
> Whereas someone learning on their own just picks up the pieces they
> need at the moment and then fixates on those parts and doesn't go on
> to learn the whole range of the language.
> > If you want to get a lower paying and boring job programming in C/C++
> > whatever reason and have a piece of paper that says you can have that
job, I
> > recommend wasting 4-6 months taking a course in your spare time to learn
> > C/C++. If you want to be top of your game and learn C/C++ without
> > time on topics that take you a minute to understand, get a good book,
> > practice the topics you have learned at your own pace, get numorous code
> > examples for things you may want to do (sockets, GUI, OpenGL, ncurses,
> > threading, kernel interfacing) from the glorious and infinite internet
> > emulate good programming style (using const qualifiers in C++, using
> > #defines in C, etc.). Also be prepared to teach yourself because you may
> > always be prepared for a job you may find yourself with; learn how to
> > learn and use external libraries.
> The only really valuable thing from this flame is the implication that
> you must go on and keep using the new learning and add to it from
> man sources.   It is not a waste of time to learn it right from the start.
> > The best programmers will teach themselves. A statement that may be on
> > borderline of opinion to fact by constant example. After all the first
> > programmer, in fact, taught herself.
> And it was a lifelong mistake-filled iterative process.   If the material
> was already there in the beginning as it is for C, C++, Fortran, Assembly,
> etc, then that lifelong process could have started at a higher level of
> understanding and moved on from their instead of having to spend so
> many years of rummaging around at the primative levels.
> Mostly, I am just responding to the making of a sweeping generalization
> that may apply to a very few, but for the most is meaningless.  It seems
> to take a narrow viewpoint to make up a flame.
> ////jerry
> > -Rian Hunter
> >
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