On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 10:50:29AM +0000,
 Daniela probably wrote:
> On Friday 16 April 2004 21:52, Lucas Holt wrote:
> > > Why would one need C++ if it's converted to C anyway?
> >
> > C++ is useful for programmers that believe in object oriented
> > methodologies.  Some things are easier to do in C++ as well.  It all
> > depends on the programmer.
> >
> > You seem to favor assembly languages.  I've found that many people into
> > assembly never seem to get OO and therefore languages like C++ and Java
> > make no sense to them.   Assembly *can be* fast but its not portable.
> > C was created to make unix portable.  C++ was created to add OO
> > features to C.  (as was objective c)
> I do program in C++ quite often and it does make sense to me. I know seven 
> programming languages and which one I use depends on the program, as I find 
> them all easy. OO languages can be optimized differently than non-OO 
> languages, and when you translate one language into another, this advantage 
> gets lost.
> I would rather say, assembly is fast and can be portable, if it's done 
> properly. Yes, it is an unforgiving language, but I think beginning 
> programmers need exactly that.

I don't think that assembly is the best language to learn first. English
is:) (I mean, reading the draft standards is a good idea; though they
can't be regarded as manuals, they have valuable examples and notes).

Learning assembly has the added advantage of knowing (at least
basically) what happens when you do a dynamic_cast<>(), for instance.
Assembly doesn't have to be portable to be usable this educational way.
At least for me, this is necessary to be sure of what I'm doing in C++.

This doesn't mean that to understand a C++ program, I have to convert it
to assembly:). It just means that, when I face a problem, I can dig into
the details and find out what I've done wrong, etc. OO means a high
level of abstraction, and if part of the levels are floating in the air
with nothing to support them, you sooner or later will face problems ---
the problems of your misunderstanding how it works.

I don't mean you have to write every program in assembly, but if you
understand how it works --- it certainly helps. YMMV.

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