----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Micheal Patterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:20 AM Subject: RE: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows
> > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Micheal Patterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:44 AM > > To: Ted Mittelstaedt; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Serious investigations into UNIX and Windows > > > > > > Honestly, what makes you think that Windows is more complex in it's > > administration than a *Nix system? > > Well, the first thing that makes me think this is because the ISP I > work at has an arm of the businesses that is purely Windows > techs who companies pay to fix their Windows servers, and I get called > in to help fix lots of messes there pretty regularly. (even > though I do not have a MCSE myself) > > I've seen the stuff with my own eyes. It ain't pretty. > > If you think that administering a Windows server is so simple then > answer the following test: > > How do you lock down an Exchange 5.5 server to prevent a spammer from > using it as a relay. > > I know how to do it. No, it does not involve grubbing around in the > registry. No it is not documented, either. I know for a fact that > it isn't because I was in the conference call > where we had to do it, and the Microsoft support tech himself told us > it wasn't documented. > Are you referring to reconfiguring the IMC with: "Reroute incoming SMTP mail", then in Routing Restrictions, selecting "Hosts and Clients with these IP addresses" and leaving the data fields blank? If that's the method that you're talking about, it's only "non-documented" within MS's help files. It's plastered all over the web. Do a search on google for "MS exchange 5.5 open relay" and just look at the info that you get. If that's the issue that you're discussing, someone in your admin section just cost the company the price for the trouble ticket for no reason because they didn't bother to look for it. > > It's common knowledge that Windows is > > "easier" to manage. That's one of it's selling points and it always has > > been. "Windows is now easier than ever, just point and click". Tell me how > > many times have you heard someone say that about any *Nix OS currently > > available? > > > > Windows by itself is pretty useless as a server. It only becomes useful > when you start adding in all the other crap, like a mailserver (exchange) > a terminal server, a backup software, etc. People in the type of network that I'm in, only use Windows for applications that require it's use. Telerad, Centricity, and various other medical software that requires MSSQL. All other applications here on my network are using FreeBSD from 4.9 to 5.3.7 or AIX. > You have obviously never had to sort out a mess with Veritos ie: Seagate > Backup on Windows. Backup is so hairy under Windows servers that even > Microsoft themselves is afraid or unable to release a backup program > with the operating system that backs up open files. And SQL server, > Exchange, and any other serious server application ALWAYS has open > files under a Windows server. Oh, yes.. I've had my share of issues with Windows. Just as I've had with every other OS that I've used. I also know how to use login restrictions to force users out of the network so that the backups can occur to reduce the amount of open file skips as well. > > The human race as a whole, is always looking for something to make doing > > something easier for them. That's what drives our desire to contstantly > > design new technology. > > > > Hate to wake you with the clue phone but WE don't design new technology. > The people who design new technology are the companies that produce > it. And they have agendas OTHER than just making your life easier. > Such as making money. Why do you think that there's a new version of > Microsoft Word every couple years? Can you tell me with a straight > face that each new version of Word has made it easier to type a > typical business letter? Clue phone? How about letting me smack you in the forhead with a clue bat. You speak about companies having other agendas. Yes, that's true. Pray tell, do answer the inevitable quesiton. How is it that companies, corporations and other big business are able to make that profit? Do they force their wares onto the unsuspecting public and force us to purchase them? Do they force you to use the aftershave you use to make you smell better to the little woman? Do they force upon you the car that you drive, the furniture in your home, the home you live in, is that forced upon you by anyone? Wait for it, wait for it. Clue bat time. You, as an individual, chose to own / use those items. Just as everyone else did. Your desire to make your life easier and more comfortable for yourself and your family. You, I and everyone around us are what makes the companies and corporations successful in their quest to gain fame and fortune. It's our demands that feed their supply to us. They didn't force anything on any of us and they make their money from our desires. It's human nature. Let's talk about the net for example. The Internet wasn't designed by corporations or big business. It has it's roots in a very small amount of people. People who thought, hey, wouldn't it be cool if we could do this? And the rest is history. Big business and corporations take the credit for many things that has come to pass since recorded time within the industrial revolution. However, when you look right at it, WE, as in the human race, have thinkers, and people who are able to step beyond the bounds of their constraints and "imagine" what something would be like. It's called ideas. You have them, I have them, we all have them. This is the basis for our technology, not companies or corporations. The companies / corporations and big business take the credit for their conception and implementation, but it all boils down to a single thought process of one person. I stated those items in my inital response to indicate that we, as a race, are always striving to take the easy way out. If it requires us to invent something to do that, so be it. It's what prompted the saddle, the car, the telegraph, the telephone, and so forth. Regardless if the saddle was a crutch for people who couldn't ride, or if the technology hasn't changed within the last 100 years. The fact remains, they were thought out, designed, and implemented so that others could do something easier. I know you think I'm wrong. I'd like you to consider a few things though please. If you prefer meat in your meals, would you raise cattle, swine, chickens? If you like vegetables, fruits, and such would you grow a garden for all of your needs? Do you like bread? Do you bake it yourself? Due to convienience and limitations on where you live, chances are you don't do either of those. Chances are high that you won't move to allow yourself to grow crops or raise livestock. Why? Because it's too convienient for you, and the lifestyle you've chosen to walk away from the modem convienences to do that. There are those that do. However, I can guarantee you that there are more people in the world that use a supermarket, than there are farmers in the world. > Windows WAS simpler than UNIX. No longer. You need to get out into > the field again, you have been sitting behind a desk managing things > for too long. I'd love to see you setup a Active Directory network of > any size that contains mixed Windows versions. You would lose a lot of > these misguided preconceptions. Ted I do this every day. I have 4 hospitals, 3 cancer treatment facilities and currently 29 other remote locations that are running Windows AD, behind FreeBSD firewalls, whose internal systems, are anything from Windows 98, to Windows XP Pro that all converge to the central center via ipsec tunnels. Windows, was and is currently designed -- Micheal Patterson Senior Communications Systems Engineer 405-917-0600 Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. _______________________________________________ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
