On Jul 5, 2013, at 11:05 PM, "Teske, Devin" <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Jul 5, 2013, at 10:09 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote:
> 
>> On Jul 5, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Devin Teske wrote:
>> 
>>> Author: dteske
>>> Date: Sat Jul  6 04:13:47 2013
>>> New Revision: 252862
>>> URL: 
>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/252862&k=%2FbkpAUdJWZuiTILCq%2FFnQg%3D%3D%0A&r=Mrjs6vR4%2Faj2Ns9%2FssHJjg%3D%3D%0A&m=6Emrz4%2BdiEiu3QIuKxkRkKl%2BdgggvTvDq79TFhoaAC8%3D%0A&s=f8e3ea5c36067381ada1de66dd547b09eb051cd0761b399929dfa68851d0ca37
>>> Log:
>>> Take the training-wheels off, after nearly 30 months of development. MFC to
>>> stable/9 planned after MFC 3-day period. The MFC to stable/9 is desired for
>>> the next release to get some much-needed time:
>>> + Living side-by-side with sysinstall for compare/contrast/transition
>>> + Living side-by-side with bsdinstall for integration/transition
>>> + Additional feedback/testing before eventual 10.0-R to make it even better
>>> MFC after:
>>> 3 days
>> 
>> Uh, why did you remove the conditional..? Why not just change the default 
>> from WITHOUT_BSDCONFIG to WITH_BSDCONFIG?
>> 
>> I don't need this necessarily on an already tuned system and this doesn't 
>> seem like something that should always be included on an appliance…
> 
> One plans was to use the libraries I'm bringing in to solve this PR:
> 
> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=conf/163508
> "[rc.subr] [patch] Add "enable" and "disable" commands to rc.subr"
> 
> The initial patch was rejected by dougb and I (as can be seen in the audit 
> trail) because editing rc.conf(5) is not a simple proposition. bsdconfig(8) 
> brings in a shell library called "sysrc.subr" (and the sysrc(8) utility 
> leverages it to provide all the nifty things it can do). The shell library is 
> of interest if we want to implement the high-level concept from the PR:
> 
> sevice {name} { enable | disable | . . . }
> 
> Since sysrc.subr provides a simple "f_sysrc_set $var $value" syntax (I'll 
> leave the rest up to your imagination).
> 
> Staying on-topic, bsdconfig (or rather, its libraries) could end up entwined 
> to the shell commands and you may end up using it without ever directly 
> executing "bsdconfig".

I'd like to read more about this. We (isilon) have hacked around rc(5) because 
the performance of rc is serialized and poor. I would prefer to avoid adding 
more end-user bloat to rc because it will drive users and consumers to take 
more drastic measures to bypass the rc system.

Thanks..
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