On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 8:40 AM, Alan Somers <asom...@freebsd.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 3:48 AM, Mike Pumford <micha...@bsquare.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 22/01/2018 17:07, Alan Somers wrote:
>>
>>> Since upgrading my jail server to 11.1-RELEASE, the clock occasionally
>>> jumps backwards by 5-35 minutes for no apparent reason.  Has anybody seen
>>> something like this?
>>>
>>> Details
>>> =====
>>>
>>> * Happens about once a day on my jail server, and has happened at least
>>> once on a separate bhyve server.
>>>
>>> * The jumps almost always happen between 1 and 3 AM, but I've also seen
>>> them happen at 06:30 and 20:15.
>>>
>>> That's the window when the period scripts are run which if you have a
>> default configuration and a lot of jails will put the system under a lot of
>> stress.
>>
>
> That did not fail to escape my notice.  However, none of the jails'
> periodic jobs involve the clock in any way.  And I wouldn't think that a
> high CPU load could cause clock drift, could it?  This isn't Windows XP,
> after all.
>
>
>> * I'm using the default ntp.conf file.
>>>
>>> Are you running ntpd inside the jail or on the jail host? On my jail
>> systems (which are 10.3 and 11.1) I run ntpd out the jail host (outside all
>> jails) and not inside the jails and the jails then get the accurate time as
>> the underlying host has accurate time.
>>
>
> Only on the host.
>
> New info: there is a possibility that my NFS server is hanging for
> awhile.  That would explain my problem's timing.  However, ntpd shouldn't
> be accessing any NFS shares, and I wouldn't think that a hung NFS server
> should be able to pause the clock.  I'm doing a new experiment that should
> be more informative.  But I'll have to wait until the problem recurs to
> learn anything.
>

I have a little more data now.  The problem happens much more frequently
than I originally realized, but usually for just a few seconds at a time.
It looks like the system is hanging for awhile and then recovering.  Or at
least, the clocks are hanging.  The only other possibility would be for
both the realtime _and_ monotonic clocks to jump backwards.  In any case,
the problem is not ntpd's fault.  I don't know what could cause a system to
hang for up to 30 minutes without crashing, and I'm not sure how to tell
unless it happens during working hours.  I'll send another update if I
learn more.

-Alan
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