I have been dealing with this for a long time since head back in September
through 13-stable of Mar-4. I have seen no improvement over this time. It
seems (my perception without supporting data) that it got worse in the
timeframe of BETA-3 tag. I was running stable, so not quite BETA-3. It also
does not help that I have also been bitten by the P-State related freeze
issue which has some similarities. disabling p-states has almost eliminated
this issue, though, with only three occurrences since I disabled them in
late January.

 As a result, I don't think it is a recent change, but a problem that has
existed for at least 3 months. This was made worse by two hardware issues
that kept the system unavailable for most of the time between buying it
last spring and getting the keyboard replaced in January. (Both the
mainboard and the disk drive had already been replaced.)  There was another
slow I/O issue that I had assumed was the same as mine, but was reportedly
fixed with BETA-4. A few are still seeing slow I/O, so I assume that there
were different issues with I/O. Since CometLake systems seem pretty
uncommon, it might be related to that.

Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer
E-mail: rkober...@gmail.com
PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683


On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 4:36 PM Warner Losh <i...@bsdimp.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 5:33 PM Kevin Oberman <rkober...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just spent a little time looking at my issue and have a few more notes:
>>
>
> What version did you evaluate? There's a number of changes lately that
> could have a big impact on this...
>
> Warner
>
>
>> Seems to only occur on large r/w operations from/to the same disk. "sp
>> big-file /other/file/on/same/disk" or tar/untar operations on large files.
>> Hit this today updating firefox.
>>
>> I/O starts at >40MB/s. Dropped to about 1.5MB/s. If I tried doing other
>> things while it was running slowly, the disk would appear to lock up. E.g.
>> pwd(1) seemed to completely lock up the system, but I could still ping it
>> and, after about 30 seconds, things came back to life. It was also not
>> instantaneous. Disc activity dropped to <1MB/s for a few seconds before
>> everything froze.
>>
>> During the untar of firefox, I saw; this several times. I also looked at
>> my
>> console where I found these errors during :
>> swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 55043, size: 8192
>> swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: bufobj: 0, blkno: 51572, size: 4096
>>
>> I should note that some operations continue just fine while this is going
>> on until I do something that freezes the system. I assume that this
>> eliminates the disk drive and low-level driver. Is vfs a possible issue.
>> It
>> had some serious work in the past few months by markj. That does not
>> explain why more people are not seeing this.
>>
>> I have been seeing this since at least September 2020, so it goes back a
>> way. As this CometLake system will not run graphics on 12, I can't confirm
>> operation before 13.
>> --
>> Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer
>> E-mail: rkober...@gmail.com
>> PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 10:47 PM Mark Millard via freebsd-stable <
>> freebsd-stable@freebsd.org> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Konstantin Belousov kostikbel at gmail.com wrote on
>> > Fri Mar 5 23:12:13 UTC 2021 :
>> >
>> > > On Sat, Mar 06, 2021 at 12:27:55AM +0200, Christos Chatzaras wrote:
>> > . . .
>> > > > Command: /usr/bin/time -l portsnap extract (these tests done with 2
>> > different idle servers but with same 4TB HDDs models)
>> > > >
>> > > > FreeBSD 12.2p4
>> > > >
>> > > >        99.45 real        34.90 user        59.63 sys
>> > > >       100.00 real        34.91 user        59.97 sys
>> > > >        82.95 real        35.98 user        60.68 sys
>> > > >
>> > > > FreeBSD 13.0-RC1
>> > > >
>> > > >       217.43 real        75.67 user       110.97 sys
>> > > >       125.50 real        63.00 user        96.47 sys
>> > > >       118.93 real        62.91 user        96.28 sys
>> > > . . .
>> > > In the portsnap results for 13RC1, the variance is too high to
>> conclude
>> > > anything, I think.
>> >
>> > I'll note that there are other reports of wide variance
>> > in transfer rates observed during an overall operation
>> > such as "make extract". The one I'm thinking of is:
>> >
>> >
>> https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2021-March/093251.html
>> >
>> > which is an update to earlier reports, but based on more recent
>> > stable/13. https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=253968
>> > comment 4 has some more notes about the context. The "make extract"
>> > for firefox likely is not as complicated as the portsnap extract
>> > example's execution structure.
>> >
>> > Might be something to keep an eye on if there are on-going
>> > examples of over time.
>> >
>> > ===
>> > Mark Millard
>> > marklmi at yahoo.com
>> > ( dsl-only.net went
>> > away in early 2018-Mar)
>> >
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