I don't get how Occitans (because it's a linguistic community) can be
seen as an historical nation.
Or maybe Occitan does mean something different in English ?
Here are some hints for Toulouse after reading the french wiki :
-Wisigoth Kingdom from 419 to 711 with Toulouse as Capital City
-Duchy of Aquitaine (independant) from 721 to 768 (you can add Eudes
d'Aquitaine as ruler : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eudes_d
%27Aquitaine), Toulouse was detached from Narbonne and attached to
Aquitaine in the early VI century (around 507 something).
That's really all you got for a real "Kingdom of the Toulousains", in
778 Charlemagne did create the Kingdom of Aquitaine and the County of
Toulouse as part of it but it was not independant. There was also the
Pépin the First then Pépin II rebellion but it didn't last so long
(840-849) then it was attached to Francia Occidentalis
Now for the Cathares (or Albigeois as they were also named)… because
it's probably what you are looking for :
In 1167, Toulouse became one of the 5 independant cathare church
There was then a crusade against the rebelled cities that ended in 1229.
Beginning in 1249 and Alphonse de Poitiers the Toulouse County is
slowly absorbed by the Kingdom of France (from which it was a vassal
Note that it is Aliénor d'Aquitaine (also named Éléanore de Guyenne,
Guyenne is the popular form of Aquitaine coming from "Aguiaine").
Le 18 août 09 à 00:16, Joan Creus a écrit :
> Follow-up Comment #4, patch #1238 (project freeciv):
> I agree that it's hard to define the boundaries of these counties.
> In fact,
> the map of the County of Toulouse shown in the French wikipedia
> shows the
> county of Roussillon as part of the county of Toulouse in 1154. I
> have found
> no other source that confirms this. As far as I know, it was an
> county that became part of the kingdom of Aragon in 1172. Before the
> annexion, it had been the birthplace of the first Catalan count, and
> why it's always considered Catalan. This goes for Perpignan. But the
> you mention is indeed Occitan.
> Daniel is the expert, here, but I believe that, for non-modern
> nations, it's
> OK in Freeciv to include cities that have been part of the empire at
> point in time.
> I agree that it would be a good thing to include some women as
> rulers. I am
> not sure that Joana is considered a "good" queen for
> Occitans,though, since
> she is the one that "sold out" to the French King. If we expand the
> scope to
> all the Occitan counties and duchies, there is another excellent
> though: Alienòr d'Aquitània (Eleanor of Aquitaine), who must have
> been an
> extraordinary woman, who actually ruled as a duchess of Aquitaine,
> Queen of France, divorced, married an English prince and became the
> mother of
> two English Kings (Richard the Lionheart and John Lackland). During
> extremely long rule as Duchess (from the age of 15 until her death
> at 82) she
> had a very important role in European politics.
> So, if you want to add rulers or cities to the Occitan ruleset, feel
> free. Or
> I can do it for you, as you like.
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