On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:36:22 -0800, Jake Emerson <[email protected]> wrote:


"Decentralized network" probably evokes an accurate picture in people's minds, and that could help tell the story. Just a thought to chew on while the project is still young.


The subconscious does not process negatives. When it hears the word "don't" it simply goes in to waiting mode until the next word is spoken. The same goes for the structure of words. "De-centralized" will be processed, by your unconscious, as "centralized."

That is not to say that "distributed" is a much better choice. It is not. It, also, has a subtle implication of "distributor" which we would do well to avoid. I can think of no better word, from a PR and psychological standpoint, than the word "shared." Yes, it is imprecise and borderline meaningless. It is also the word that evokes the thing that we are all trying to do.

Godspeed,
Dan


Cheers,
Jake

On 02/24/2011 06:08 PM, Thomas Lord wrote:
Re:

Yes, "decentralized" does get the point across
much better, doesn't it?




A minor issue - and I really hope I don't
start a language fight but: on the meanings of
"distributed" and "decentralized" ...


I like to encourage the usage described below.
If I do accidentally start a language fight
let me announce in advance that I immediately
surrender and quit that fight :-)   You are
right, everyone who disagrees.    Here we go:


"distributed" means that a computation is
spread across multiple hosts.   "distributed"
is a strictly technical property of a
software system.   I'm a little fuzzy on exactly
what we mean by "host" but, you get the idea.


"decentralized" means that there is no central
control (legal, social, economic, technical) of
a computing system.

For example:   Amazon's cloud services and Google's
various services are "distributed" but they are
"centralized".

Another example:  The MIT AI lab used to host
an old ITS (Incompatible Time Sharing operating
system) machine to which anyone who who heard
of it could obtain an account and easily obtain
the equivalent of "root".   That system was not
distributed - for it ran on a single machine -
but it was, for the most part, decentralized.  (MIT
retained central control over when exactly to pull
the plug, of course.)

It's maybe too wordy but it is more accurate if we
talk about:

     distributed, decentralized social networking

to convey that no one host holds the whole thing (distributed)
and that no one party is in control (decentralized).

Of course, distributed and decentralized alone are
not all that we really mean.   After all, the cell phone
and land line telephony networks are, so to speak, both
distributed and decentralized but they are also in some
sense untrustworthy.  While decentralized, nevertheless
power over them is concentrated.  Though distributed,
not just anyone can add a new node.

We could try adding more adjectives:

     distributed, decentralized, personally emopwering
     social networking

Ick.

Or maybe just stick with "distributed, decentralized" and
combine that with Eben Moglen's formulation:

     We replace that social networking functionality
     but *you* control the server logs (that pertain to
     you).

("What's a server log?" -- asks dad :-)

-t




On Thu, 2011-02-24 at 14:36 -0800, J David Eisenberg wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Jake Emerson
<[email protected]>  wrote:
Hi David,
The comic at http://dsn-test.com/comic is great. Just curious, though, why
did you choose the term "distributed" instead of "decentralized?"
Because I started writing the script shortly after Diaspora issued its
first release, and their blog says: "Diaspora aims to be a distributed
network..." That was the term that I saw more often in news articles,
and it seemed to be in more common usage.

BTW, I just did a Google search for "distributed social networks"
(about 41,800,000 results) vs. "decentralized social networks" (about
445,000 results).

Yes, "decentralized" does get the point across much better, doesn't it?

Cheers,
Jake

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