On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 18:11:41 -0700, John Gilmore <[email protected]> wrote: ... > This company doesn't look like the sort we want to base our software > on.
They also have a history of producing things that I would be nervous about leaving plugged in my home (I'd probably be OK with one in my garage, in a sand filled box, with a fire suppressant system overhead ;-) Initially I thought that the plug computer was a good idea, but if you're skimping on the power supply components, it just wastes power, and dumps the resulting heat into the CPU, which strikes me as suboptimal. Given that Eben seems to be talking about wall-warts, and that these sheva-plugs from globalscale seem to be what he's talking about, I think we need to address this issue, since I think these particular incarnations of wall-wart provide a rather shaky foundation for the project. Given that we have ambitions to have these in every home, even if they have only have very slightly dodgy power supplies we're going to be causing house fires just due to sheer numbers. > Either they're undercapitalized (e.g. they're taking our payments > and using the money to buy the parts to build the products - they have > no inventory) or they don't care much about supporting small > customers. Check out their (total lack of) response to queries about u-boot support of alternative boot media for the OpenRD to see how much they care about supporting small customers. > We could spend years making great software that runs on > these boxes, and yet the ordinary joes who want to run it will get > stuck for weeks dealing with a flaky vendor, give up on us, and lose > their freedom. Absolutely -- I think that a worthwhile expenditure of some of the FBF funds would be developing a decent reference design, as Open Hardware, where some bean counter has not decided to save 20 cents on the PSU components, and where all the components are selected firstly on the basis that it's provided by someone that's willing to support Free Software drivers, and only then on performance, so we don't end up with the Marvel wifi on openmoko situation, where there are bugs that will never be fixed. I know for example that simtek would be willing to do the layout and publish the result as Open Hardware for what seems like a reasonable price to me. Once we have the design, we could get a small run made for us enthusiasts, and meanwhile encourage other manufacturers to take the design and run with it. Given the wall wart problems mentioned, I've come to the conclusion that the right thing to do is design something that is capable of running on a mobile phone USB charger -- these are so cheap as to be almost free, and many people are going to have spares laying around. They ahd the advantage of massive economy of scale, and would keep the heat away From the CPU -- the down side is the additional cable. What I'd actually like to see is something that's capable of being powered by either of two USB chargers, so that (given that we're relying n el-cheapo power supplies) if one of them blows up, we still have power to send you a message saying that the PSU#1 just died, say. An alternative way of doing that would be to use a phone battery as a UPS, to provide enough life to send out warnings. Similarly, if we're putting people's most vital data on these things, it would probably be nice to have the option of 2 SD cards or perhaps 2 SATA drives so that we can RAID the data. That's the sort of feature that we're willing to pay the few extra cents it costs for the copper and the extra socket that the mass-producing kit manufacturers are never going to spontaneously decide to install on a mass-market router. This of course makes one think that perhaps we should rather be settling on a particular model of android phone's hardware, but then we don't get ethernet, and we're paying for a screen we don't need. Another idea would be to put most of the system on a standard board that could be common across various different incarnations, and then provide a decent quality wall-wart that that fits into, or and ADSL router shell, or a thing that carries a phone battery and a solar cell, etc. etc. I'm thinking something a bit like this: http://www.simtec.co.uk/products/IM2440D20/ > Anyone have other suggestions for hardware vendors? I'm keeping my > order in, just to see how ridiculous they get, but I'm looking > elsewhere. Good luck. :-) Cheers, Phil. P.S. I've got no links to simtec other than knowing a few of the DDs that work there, and owning one of their wonderful Entropy keys. -- |)| Philip Hands [+44 (0)20 8530 9560] http://www.hands.com/ |-| HANDS.COM Ltd. http://www.uk.debian.org/ |(| 10 Onslow Gardens, South Woodford, London E18 1NE ENGLAND
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