On 11-06-28 at 04:58pm, [email protected] wrote: > On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 03:21:49PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > On 11-06-28 at 02:55pm, [email protected] wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 07:39:43PM +0800, Sandy Harris wrote: > > > > Jonas Smedegaard <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > My point is that one point (out of several!) in the vision of > > > > > FreedomBox is that the world becomes a better place even if > > > > > not directly addressing then needs of activists ... > > > > > > > > > > I want to address the problem of central logging of the > > > > > activities of the masses _separately_ from the more complex > > > > > problem of activists needing secrecy, anonymity and other > > > > > powerful features. Because the first is easier and quicker > > > > > solved than the second. And because the first helps solve the > > > > > second! > > > > > > > > Exactly. > > > > > > Well, I guess it depends on what "central logging of the > > > activities of the masses" means. First, there is no real "central" > > > logging, no unique big brother that the freedombox might want to > > > defeat, but a lot of different (from size to content) logging > > > databases out there, maintained by a lot of different actors. > > > > When logs are controlled by a single entity, for 1000 people posting > > microblogging entries and 1000 other people reading the posts and > > tagging some authors as interesting to "follow", I consider the > > logging "central". > > Well, please read the rest of my previous email for an objection... > > I fail to understand the thread model, I guess (even if I already did > for your definition of "central logging"). Your description doesn't > address the other "central" logging entities which are able to bring > as many informations, not to say more, about what you're talking > about. Not sure it's that easy to use this definition to separate > implementation that are not that unrelated, and even that evading > "central logging" is that easy to solve/implement.
My point is that there _is_ such thing called central logging, even if not at one single but several (or even hundreds thousands) entities. You then try to extend central logging to also include harvesting. I am not addressing all possible ways for evil-doers to do evil. I am working towards a "silverlining of the cloud". Or differently phrased: I am working towards a tool for humans with an own home to use that home of their own as platform for internet activities. Some want to fight the power. Some approach it differently. I want FreedomBox to *only* be a tool to insist on using the private home as platform for internet activities. I do *not* want FreedomBox to be a waepon or a shield in itself, but make it easy to extend with such as plugins. I just wanna make FreedomBox. Apparently you wanna make (anyonepotentiallybecomesa)FreedomfighterBox! - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private
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