Hi Luis--

On 03/13/2012 01:03 PM, "Luis A. MorĂ¡n Morales" wrote:

I think this article is germane to the discussion and it clearly
illustrates one of the many reasons that we need the FreedomBox:

Yuck, what a terrible move by the school (and depressing to hear of the capitulation of the girl's parents, if the school is to be believed).

But it's worth considering how a FreedomBox implementation could actually withstand a comparable attack, given the weak legal position of most schoolchildren (or the weak negotiating position of most job-seekers, referenced in your later link).

How does (or how could) a FreedomBox help a user avoid giving up their authentication credentials in the face of heavy-handed coercion by a powerful authority figure? This is not a rhetorical question; i'd really like to hear explanations or proposals!

It seems to me like FreedomBox would help the user by limiting the authorities' ability to bypass the user entirely and demand access from the service provider directly. That's a good thing! But the authorities didn't bypass the user in this situation.

I haven't seen any proposals for how FreedomBox could help the user themselves resist disclosure of their own credentials. Maybe i haven't been following closely enough. i would be happy to be wrong, please point me to them!

The situation is particularly scary because I consider what they did to
that girl a form of "thought crime" punishment simply because she
"thought out loud" by posting on Facebook.

"thinking out loud" is also known as "speech", which (while still somewhat protected in some countries) hardly has the same protections that thought does.

While i think the situation is atrocious, that the school system should be ashamed of themselves, and that the girl and her parents should have fought much harder to avoid handing over her authentication credentials, it's a bit of a stretch to claim that this is about thought crime. The school district wanted to know what the student had been communicating with other people about, and they forced her to reveal it.

I think this is a pervasive-and-unjustified surveillance issue, which is bad news in its own right; let's save the thought crime label for situations where it fits better.

Regards,

        --dkg

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