Hi Eric

Em Quinta 21 Julho 2005 02:57, Eric Auer escreveu:
> Hi Carlos,
> DOS IS NOT A NETWORKING OS... I would like to say.


> > I think that the new distro idea about a collection of batch files is
> > really good. It looks similar to portage/gentoo and freebsd/ports way of
> > installing packages and maybe a it can be a revival for the fdpm project.
> >
> > - Make the distribution easy to update.
> > - Maybe less releases/ISOs per year.
> We already are at about ONE :-(.
> > - Get comercial software inside the distro, not the software but an
> > install script/method.

By comercial software, read software with retrictive licenses that can't get 
on freedos cd.

> That would be okay IF there is real use for it. So far, everybody
> has been able to install their commercial software using the INTENDED
> way of install, i.e. buy the software or download it from the homepage
> of the vendor, then follow the install instructions. I do not see why
> we should take big efforts to make something MORE automatic which is
> ALMOST automatic anyway. AND people should read the homepage from where
> they download stuff BEFORE they use it.
> > - Comercial software site's bandwith can be used .
> But what commercial site do you mean? Things like downloading ALL
> DJGPP ports of GNU software in an automatic way? DJ Delorie will
> be NOT amused if you bypass his useful ZIP PICKER.

Idem, or the same as above.

> > - To have a binary install for users.
> Blair's current ISOs already DO come as a BINARY 100 MB and a
> with-sources 200 MB version.
> > - Or from source install for developers.
> Sorry to say that, but install from sources is plain nonsense.
> Gentoo users do it because they have a twisted belief in optimizing
> their Linux to 5% more performance by compiling their very own
> binary of everything in night-long compile runs. For FreeBSD, there
> is at least SOME use in the system because FreeBSD can run on
> different types of processors (i.e. non-x86 ones). Plus FreeDOS has
> some packages which can NOT be compiled with freely available compilers.

I don't know really, but maybe it would be nice to see if some programs work 
or not in different laptops, BIOSes, motherboards. For sure? I don't know.

> > - Bandwith from everybody could be used.
> >   (just live the package in a place the install program can fetch)
> You mean: Every package maintainer has to provide his own bandwidth for
> his own packages? The system of worldwide mirrors for things like the
> ISOs, SourceForge, Ibiblio is much more suitable in the general case.

Could be used with software with restrictive licenses.

> > - Bandwith usage would be distributed.
> Again, a nearby mirror can SAVE bandwidth because you do not have to
> collect a worldwide soup of mixed origin packages to install every single
> system.

I agree with you.

> > - Also bandwith usage would be distributed in time since everybody will
> > not update their packages at the same time.
> Then you MUST assume that people START with installing a full ISO and
> only do OCCASIONAL updates. If you ask me, a much BETTER solution for
> this would be a system which shows you the LSMs of all packages which
> got updated since [User Can Enter Date Here] and do the rest manually.
> Only 5 - 10 of the many FreeDOS components are under active development
> at the moment AT ALL :-|.

I like that too.

> > - Make install scripts easier for virtual machines (vmware, bochs,
> > qemu...) and emulators (dosemu) since they all have the same network
> > cards, at the same address, perhaps.
> This is a nonsense argument: MY Bochs does NOT have a network card. If
> I would want to install something on it, it would be MUCH easier to get
> an ISO file. Actually you reach MANY people with a SINGLE ElTorito CD-ROM
> driver and only a FRACTION of the people with a collection of the top 3
> network card drivers.

As far as I know, for qemu it works and for vmware too.

> > - Easy to test and get food for bugzilla faster, while developers still
> > got their hands dirty.
> Sorry to spoil your illusions: When you announce an update here with
> PLEASE TEST, I MUST KNOW IF IT WORKS in big red letters on it, you will
> not have heard anything a week later anyway in many cases. Just by having
> a tool which says "press here to update your DOS" you will get a zero
> increase in user feedback. Remember the WindowsUpdate problem. They say
> "you must use this to be safe", and a virus coming out months after a
> security fix still knocks out tens of percent of all Windows machines :-(.

I like to dream sometimes, what can I do !?

> > - Get software tested faster and in different machines by far more
> > people.
> ...
> > - Get more people installing (hey new stuff) and updating their FreeDOS
> > distro.
> For that, I recommend having ISOs TWICE a year instead of ONCE, for a
> start.

I agree with that but one per year with the ability of not having to update 
twice a year is nice too, for a lazy guy like me. ;)

> Plus having a site with a single "ALL UPDATES SINCE THE LAST ISO IN ONE
> ZIP" file for easy update. This will be really easy for users. All the
> networking stuff is really a big pain in DOS. I did get my DOS online, but
> I am really against any illusions that NETWORKING would be easier than

But do you think it could be done?

> Sorry for having to be so harsh about that "Make FreeDOS a new Gentoo"
> idea.
> Eric


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