Hi Eric Em Quinta 21 Julho 2005 02:57, Eric Auer escreveu: > Hi Carlos, > > DOS IS NOT A NETWORKING OS... I would like to say.
Yep! > > I think that the new distro idea about a collection of batch files is > > really good. It looks similar to portage/gentoo and freebsd/ports way of > > installing packages and maybe a it can be a revival for the fdpm project. > > > > - Make the distribution easy to update. > > - Maybe less releases/ISOs per year. > > We already are at about ONE :-(. > > > - Get comercial software inside the distro, not the software but an > > install script/method. By comercial software, read software with retrictive licenses that can't get on freedos cd. > That would be okay IF there is real use for it. So far, everybody > has been able to install their commercial software using the INTENDED > way of install, i.e. buy the software or download it from the homepage > of the vendor, then follow the install instructions. I do not see why > we should take big efforts to make something MORE automatic which is > ALMOST automatic anyway. AND people should read the homepage from where > they download stuff BEFORE they use it. > > > - Comercial software site's bandwith can be used . > > But what commercial site do you mean? Things like downloading ALL > DJGPP ports of GNU software in an automatic way? DJ Delorie will > be NOT amused if you bypass his useful ZIP PICKER. Idem, or the same as above. > > - To have a binary install for users. > > Blair's current ISOs already DO come as a BINARY 100 MB and a > with-sources 200 MB version. > > > - Or from source install for developers. > > Sorry to say that, but install from sources is plain nonsense. > Gentoo users do it because they have a twisted belief in optimizing > their Linux to 5% more performance by compiling their very own > binary of everything in night-long compile runs. For FreeBSD, there > is at least SOME use in the system because FreeBSD can run on > different types of processors (i.e. non-x86 ones). Plus FreeDOS has > some packages which can NOT be compiled with freely available compilers. I don't know really, but maybe it would be nice to see if some programs work or not in different laptops, BIOSes, motherboards. For sure? I don't know. > > - Bandwith from everybody could be used. > > (just live the package in a place the install program can fetch) > > You mean: Every package maintainer has to provide his own bandwidth for > his own packages? The system of worldwide mirrors for things like the > ISOs, SourceForge, Ibiblio is much more suitable in the general case. Could be used with software with restrictive licenses. > > - Bandwith usage would be distributed. > > Again, a nearby mirror can SAVE bandwidth because you do not have to > collect a worldwide soup of mixed origin packages to install every single > system. I agree with you. > > - Also bandwith usage would be distributed in time since everybody will > > not update their packages at the same time. > > Then you MUST assume that people START with installing a full ISO and > only do OCCASIONAL updates. If you ask me, a much BETTER solution for > this would be a system which shows you the LSMs of all packages which > got updated since [User Can Enter Date Here] and do the rest manually. > Only 5 - 10 of the many FreeDOS components are under active development > at the moment AT ALL :-|. I like that too. > > - Make install scripts easier for virtual machines (vmware, bochs, > > qemu...) and emulators (dosemu) since they all have the same network > > cards, at the same address, perhaps. > > This is a nonsense argument: MY Bochs does NOT have a network card. If > I would want to install something on it, it would be MUCH easier to get > an ISO file. Actually you reach MANY people with a SINGLE ElTorito CD-ROM > driver and only a FRACTION of the people with a collection of the top 3 > network card drivers. As far as I know, for qemu it works and for vmware too. > > - Easy to test and get food for bugzilla faster, while developers still > > got their hands dirty. > > Sorry to spoil your illusions: When you announce an update here with > PLEASE TEST, I MUST KNOW IF IT WORKS in big red letters on it, you will > not have heard anything a week later anyway in many cases. Just by having > a tool which says "press here to update your DOS" you will get a zero > increase in user feedback. Remember the WindowsUpdate problem. They say > "you must use this to be safe", and a virus coming out months after a > security fix still knocks out tens of percent of all Windows machines :-(. I like to dream sometimes, what can I do !? > > - Get software tested faster and in different machines by far more > > people. > > ... > > > - Get more people installing (hey new stuff) and updating their FreeDOS > > distro. > > For that, I recommend having ISOs TWICE a year instead of ONCE, for a > start. I agree with that but one per year with the ability of not having to update twice a year is nice too, for a lazy guy like me. ;) > Plus having a site with a single "ALL UPDATES SINCE THE LAST ISO IN ONE > ZIP" file for easy update. This will be really easy for users. All the > networking stuff is really a big pain in DOS. I did get my DOS online, but > I am really against any illusions that NETWORKING would be easier than > CDROM. But do you think it could be done? > Sorry for having to be so harsh about that "Make FreeDOS a new Gentoo" > idea. > > Eric Carlos ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477&alloc_id=16492&op=click _______________________________________________ Freedos-user mailing list Freedosemail@example.com https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user