Has any FreeDOS user ever dualbooted with Knoppix (DSL)?  

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>    1. Re: Recommondation of TCP/IP stack, DHCP client (Someone)
>    2. Re: Recommondation of TCP/IP stack, DHCP client (Mike Eriksen)
>    3. Re: Recommondation of TCP/IP stack, DHCP client (Ulrich Hansen)
>    4. Re: Recommondation of TCP/IP stack, DHCP client (4625)
>    5. Re: Recommondation of TCP/IP stack, DHCP client (4625)
>    6. Re: Recommondation of TCP/IP stack, DHCP client (Ulrich Hansen)
>    7. Re: Recommondation of TCP/IP stack, DHCP client (4625)
>    8. Re: Recommondation of TCP/IP stack, DHCP client (Ulrich Hansen)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 19:53:35 -0700
> From: Someone <plu...@robinson-west.com>
> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Recommondation of TCP/IP stack, DHCP
>       client
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> On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 23:10 -0300, Alain Mouette wrote:
> > I completly disagree.
> > 
> > Just today I installed FreeDOS on a brand new Asus board with SATA2 a 
> > gigabit ethernet chip.
> > 
> > Simple: go to www.netbootdisk.com and create a floppy. After it boots 
> > and detects the NIC, copy it's driver including packet driver. Easy...
> > 
> > The truth is that if you have an application that is worth using with 
> > FreeDOS, drivers exist :)
> > 
> > And it is damn fast
> > 
> > Alain
> 
> Command line Linux tuned properly is also fast where Linux supports more
> network cards than Freedos does.  Another problem, how did you find out
> that there is a driver for your particular card?  For Linux users, the
> kernel supports a lot of network cards straight off.
> 
> Does Freedos support common nics such as:
> 
> Netgear Fa311/Fa312?
> 
> Thuderlan dual port 10/100 nics?
> 
> AOpen nics?
> 
> Tulip nics?
> 
> Other nics?
> 
> I stand by my statement that TCP/IP and DOS are probably not the best
> combination.  DOS does not protect the hardware from programs that
> execute, because it can't.  DOS cannot stop viruses/worms very easily
> because it doesn't shield the hardware in the first place.  This is
> all the more reason to avoid connecting to global networks from a
> DOS based environment.
> 
> How about DOSbox, Virtualbox, and VMWARE nics?  Can Freedos use any
> virtual NICS?
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 12:32:20 +0200
> From: Mike Eriksen <thinstation.m...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Recommondation of TCP/IP stack, DHCP
>       client
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> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 3:22 AM, Someone <plu...@robinson-west.com> wrote:
> > I question whether TCP/IP is the best way to go in a DOS environment.
> 
> That depend on your needs. Been a member of the Thinstation Linux thin
> client team, I have all the lightweight Linux I could wish. My
> original need came from the need to BIOS upgrade a floppyless Ubuntu
> box. I ended up by adding the DOS flash program and the BIOS image to
> a Balder image, make an ISO of it and problem solved. Not very
> elegant. So I decided to explore if I could make a boot floppy with
> USB support so I could put the flash program and BIOS image on a
> writable device and not have to create a new ISO every time (not that
> it happens often, but now it got a pet project).
> 
> Having reached this, I wanted more: the ability to download the flash
> program and the image directly with wget or even a text browser. This
> is a bit hard to accomplish without TCP/IP :-) I've put the network
> stack, applications and packet drivers on the floppy due to size
> restriction on the floppy. It isn't quite working yet, but I think I
> just need to put a bit more time into it. I see no fundamental
> obstacles now.
> 
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 22:16:46 +0200
> From: Ulrich Hansen <uhan...@mainz-online.de>
> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Recommondation of TCP/IP stack, DHCP
>       client
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> Am 07.08.2010 03:22, schrieb Someone:
> > Command line linux is much easier to network than freedos and there is a
> > lot of utility to it.
> 
> You are right. There is no doubt that GNU/Linux is much better 
> equipped for networking than (Free)DOS. GNU/Linux also runs on old 
> hardware, although it can be difficult (and painfully slow) to 
> install. Modern installers need a lot of resources. I run Debian (Dual 
> boot with FreeDOS) on some 486SX with 20 MB RAM so I know something 
> about that.
> 
> > Companies aren't releasing dos drivers
> 
> This is not necessarily true. Two weeks ago we had a discussion about 
> drivers for the RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller 
> in a quite modern Acer Aspire One netbook. As we found out, Realtek 
> still released ODI (Netware) and NDIS (MS Client for DOS) drivers for 
> that NIC, so it can be used with shims as packet drivers for 
> networking in FreeDOS.
> 
> So even when some companies do not release packet drivers for DOS, the 
> NIC might be still usable.
> 
> > I question whether TCP/IP is the best way to go in a DOS environment.
> 
> You are right. Security is an issue. ftpsrv32.exe for instance - one 
> of the few FTP servers that exist for DOS - doesn't ask for a password 
> and opens the whole DOS system for guests. And if you are using WLAN 
> in DOS, you are limited to 802.11b cards with WEP encryption, which is 
> insecure per definition.
> 
> On the other hand, most TCP/IP networking software in DOS cannot run 
> as TSR. It runs fullscreen in the foreground, which is hard to ignore. 
> So there are no ports unintentionally open. And if you are running a 
> server in DOS you are at least not running anything else.  ;-)
> 
> > For security reasons, most of us probably don't want
> > our DOS environments to connect directly to the Net, but for
> > gaming purposes, local area networking can be quite fun.
> 
> Gaming is one possible purpose of networking DOS machines. Another 
> reason may be the need to run old DOS software that has to have 
> network access.
> 
> But I think the most important reason people have to network (Free)DOS 
> is simply to be able to exchange data.
> 
> Modern computers don't have floppies, parallel or serial ports. Old 
> computers don't have USB or SD-cards. Some old computers have CD-Rom 
> but burning CDs for data exchange can be annoying, as Mike Eriksen 
> pointed out.
> 
> TCP/IP for DOS has been around since the eighties, so it is the common 
> ground for old and new hardware, for DOS and a more modern OS.
> 
> Just as example: How do I myself exchange data between FreeDOS on my 
> old 486SX laptops and my modern Thinkpad running Ubuntu Lucid? By 
> starting a ftp server in freedos and logging in with filezilla. How 
> else could I do this? By loading MS Client and creating a shared 
> directory.
> 
>  > How about DOSbox, Virtualbox, and VMWARE nics?  Can Freedos use any
>  > virtual NICS?
> 
> I installed FreeDOS in Virtualbox last week. Virtualbox uses a AMD 
> PCnet-Fast III card. A free packet driver "pcntpk.com" for this card 
> is available at:
> <http://www.crynwr.com/drivers/amdpd.zip>
> 
> For MS Client you can get the NDIS driver "pcntnd.dos" at:
> <ftp://ftp.dlink.com/NIC/de520/Driver/uncompressed/MSLANMAN.DOS/DRIVERS/ETHERNET/PCNTND/>
> 
> In Virtualbox the only way to exchange data between the FreeDOS guest 
> and the host (Ubuntu in my case) is to create a network: I use the 
> vbox network adapter in bridged mode. In the FreeDOS guest I run a DOS 
> server in my LAN (behind a router of course) and connect to it from 
> the Ubuntu host with filezilla. I also connected the FreeDOS guest 
> with a scond Virtualbox guest running Windows XP via MS Client in DOS.
> 
> So yes, you are right: TCP/IP and DOS are probably not the best 
> combination.
> And no, you are not right: Networking DOS via TCP/IP is still needed 
> for many reasons.
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 14:18:36 -0700 (PDT)
> From: 4625 <4625...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Recommondation of TCP/IP stack, DHCP
>       client
> To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
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>  6-Aug-2010 ?????, ? 18:22 ?????, Someone ???????(?) ?????????:
> 
> > I'd say that Freedos is okay for networking if you have a card that
> > is supported by open source drivers, but that seems to be a very
> > short list of cards at this time. I guess the question to ask of
> > anyone seeking to
> 
> Does anyone have success experience with "Edimax EN-9130TXL" PCI
> network adapter on FreeDOS? It looks like EN-9130TXL will work, but I
> want to be sure.
> 
> This is how *BSD recognize the EN-9130TXL card: "rl0 at pci0 dev 8
> function 0 "Realtek 8139" rev 0x10: irq 10".
> 
> Attention! I notice to everyone that "ASUS NX1001" PCI network adapter
> won't work on old motherboard "Giga-Byte i440BX". Windows, *BSD, Linux,
> they all report that card not pluged into PCI slot. However, on modern
> motherboard this card work very well.
> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 14:19:28 -0700 (PDT)
> From: 4625 <4625...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Recommondation of TCP/IP stack, DHCP
>       client
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>  6-Aug-2010 ?????, ? 19:53 ?????,, Someone ???????(?) ?????????:
> 
> > execute, because it can't.  DOS cannot stop viruses/worms very easily
> > because it doesn't shield the hardware in the first place. This is
> > all the more reason to avoid connecting to global networks from a DOS
> > based environment.
> 
> Are you sure that modern worms are able to intrude? Do you know any
> modern worm for DOS?
> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 00:21:25 +0200
> From: Ulrich Hansen <uhan...@mainz-online.de>
> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Recommondation of TCP/IP stack, DHCP
>       client
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> According to a google search, the EN-9130TXL card works with a Realtek 
> RTL8139D chip.
> 
> Drivers for that chip can be found at Realteks site:
> <http://www.realtek.com/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=6&PFid=6&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false>
> 
> If you scroll down you find:
> - a DOS packet driver,
> - a DOS NDIS driver and
> - a Novell ODI driver.
> 
> So I think there is a good chance the NIC will work in FreeDOS.
> 
> BTW: According to Realtek, the DOS packet driver was updated four days 
> ago (2010/8/4).
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 02:30:08 -0700 (PDT)
> From: 4625 <4625...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Recommondation of TCP/IP stack, DHCP
>       client
> To: uhan...@mainz-online.de, freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
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>  8-Aug-2010 ?????, ? 00:21 ?????, Ulrich Hansen ???????(?) ?????????:
> 
> > According to a google search, the EN-9130TXL card works with a
> > Realtek RTL8139D chip.
> > 
> > Drivers for that chip can be found at Realteks site:
> > <http://www.realtek.com/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=6&PFid=6&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false>
> > 
> > If you scroll down you find:
> > - a DOS packet driver,
> > - a DOS NDIS driver and
> > - a Novell ODI driver.
> 
> I see that, but downloading won't to begin. Download link redirect me
> to http://www.realtek.com/downloads/ .
> 
> > BTW: According to Realtek, the DOS packet driver was updated four days 
> > ago (2010/8/4).
> 
> Good news.
> 
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 15:01:46 +0200
> From: Ulrich Hansen <uhan...@mainz-online.de>
> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Recommondation of TCP/IP stack, DHCP
>       client
> To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
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> Am 08.08.2010 11:30, schrieb 4625:
> 
> > I see that, but downloading won't to begin. Download link redirect me
> > to http://www.realtek.com/downloads/ .
> 
> It worked for me yesterday after I tried it a few times. See pm.
> 
> 
> 
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