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Hi Eric,


Thanks for explanation at this side and yes we are not using any disk on
machines using direct acess to map server disk and

our new hardware with freedos  works same like  we used Ms-dos about 20 years
of time without any problems but the main problem is as you specified with our
new hardware's freedos-> keyb.exe cannot load into to memory correctly and it
auto use default 457.


We will try settings like you write now for using low memory and return to you
if it works. Also if there are other, changed  newly written codes of keyb.exe
kind that you can orient. Again we can try those methods also.


There is still reward on this job as its business. Again who will solve our
problem will be rewarded gently. (500$)


Thanks and best regards.


Salih.


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G%nderen: Eric Auer <e.a...@jpberlin.de>
G%nderildi: 9 Eylnl 2016 Cuma 15:54
Kime: Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS.
Konu: Re: [Freedos-user] Ynt: Urgent FreeDos Keyboard Layout Hardware Help


Hi Salih,

> Keyboard layout is working well in virtualbox pc.
> But is not working in real machine as specs are given.

Oh okay misunderstanding on my side...

> We are using linux.cfg boot up from PXE to catch up mac adress with
tftpserver.

If you boot from PXE, then you probably use a bootable
memdisk ramdisk for the booting of DOS on hardware which
has no SSD or harddisk? Then there might be a problem
in memory layout which interferes with your attempt to
load the keyboard driver. However, I assume you use the
same method in virtualbox, too, without problems? Maybe
different PXE support between real and virtual BIOS?

> We were using ms-dos before but after we changed production
> of our mini terminal machines (made a cpu upgrade). They
> didnt work in msdos we got emm386 compatibility errors.

Not sure if this is an option for you, but you may want to
try a number of memory driver alternatives here. In general
BIOS support for DOS is getting worse in modern PC, so the
UMB memory areas could collide with other functionality on
the computer without EMM386, JEMM386 or JEMMEX being able
to detect the problem if the BIOS fails to specify areas.

So you may want to give configurations without EMS / UMB a
try: Load only HIMEMX or similar XMS / HMA only drivers and
skip the EMS / UMB drivers. Also, carefully check the manual
of the used HIMEM- and/or EMM386-style drivers for special
compatibility options worth testing on problematic hardware.

> So we moved to freedos and now have a keyboard problem but also
> other keyboard layouts are not working too.

That sounds like a general problem in loading KEYB. Try for
example the /NOHI option of KEYB to fully load the driver
into low memory, in case high memory has issues on your new
mini terminal hardware.

Regards, Eric

PS: If you have memory area problems on the new hardware or
BIOS of the new hardware, of course the KEYB driver will not
be the only part which can experience problems. So try to
make sure that both keyb AND memory drivers are really okay.



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<p>Hi Eric,</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Thanks for explanation at this side and yes we are not using any disk on
machines using direct acess to map server disk and</p>
<p>our new hardware with freedos &nbsp;works same like &nbsp;we
used&nbsp;Ms-dos about 20 years of time without any problems&nbsp;but the main
problem is&nbsp;<span style="font-size: 12pt;">as you specified with our new
hardware's freedos-&gt;&nbsp;keyb.exe&nbsp;</span><span style="font-size:
12pt;">cannot
 load into&nbsp;to memory correctly&nbsp;and it auto use default
457.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">We will try settings like you write now for
using low memory&nbsp;and return to you if it works. Also if there are other,
changed &nbsp;newly written&nbsp;codes of&nbsp;keyb.exe
kind&nbsp;that</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">&nbsp;you can orient. Again
 we can try those methods also.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">There is still reward on this job as its
business. Again who will solve our problem will&nbsp;be rewarded gently.
(500$)</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Thanks and best regards.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Salih.&nbsp;</span></p>
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<b>Konu:</b> Re: [Freedos-user] Ynt: Urgent FreeDos Keyboard Layout Hardware
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Hi Salih,<br>
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&gt; Keyboard layout is working well in virtualbox pc.<br>
&gt; But is not working in real machine as specs are given.<br>
<br>
Oh okay misunderstanding on my side...<br>
<br>
&gt; We are using linux.cfg boot up from PXE to catch up mac adress with
tftpserver.<br>
<br>
If you boot from PXE, then you probably use a bootable<br>
memdisk ramdisk for the booting of DOS on hardware which<br>
has no SSD or harddisk? Then there might be a problem<br>
in memory layout which interferes with your attempt to<br>
load the keyboard driver. However, I assume you use the<br>
same method in virtualbox, too, without problems? Maybe<br>
different PXE support between real and virtual BIOS?<br>
<br>
&gt; We were using ms-dos before but after we changed production<br>
&gt; of our mini terminal machines (made a cpu upgrade). They<br>
&gt; didnt work in msdos we got emm386 compatibility errors.<br>
<br>
Not sure if this is an option for you, but you may want to<br>
try a number of memory driver alternatives here. In general<br>
BIOS support for DOS is getting worse in modern PC, so the<br>
UMB memory areas could collide with other functionality on<br>
the computer without EMM386, JEMM386 or JEMMEX being able<br>
to detect the problem if the BIOS fails to specify areas.<br>
<br>
So you may want to give configurations without EMS / UMB a<br>
try: Load only HIMEMX or similar XMS / HMA only drivers and<br>
skip the EMS / UMB drivers. Also, carefully check the manual<br>
of the used HIMEM- and/or EMM386-style drivers for special<br>
compatibility options worth testing on problematic hardware.<br>
<br>
&gt; So we moved to freedos and now have a keyboard problem but also<br>
&gt; other keyboard layouts are not working too.<br>
<br>
That sounds like a general problem in loading KEYB. Try for<br>
example the /NOHI option of KEYB to fully load the driver<br>
into low memory, in case high memory has issues on your new<br>
mini terminal hardware.<br>
<br>
Regards, Eric<br>
<br>
PS: If you have memory area problems on the new hardware or<br>
BIOS of the new hardware, of course the KEYB driver will not<br>
be the only part which can experience problems. So try to<br>
make sure that both keyb AND memory drivers are really okay.<br>
<br>
<br>
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