On 06/25/2015 08:52 AM, Ludwig Krispenz wrote:

On 06/24/2015 09:01 PM, Simo Sorce wrote:
On Wed, 2015-06-24 at 11:25 +0200, Ludwig Krispenz wrote:

the topology plugin relies on existing connection between servers which
remain in a topolgy. If you remove a central node in your topology you
are asking for trouble.
With Petr's patch it warns you that your topology will be disconnected,
and if you insist we cannot guarantee anything.
should we completely prohibit this ?
No, but a --force should be needed.
Without a --force option we should not allow to remove a replica
completely from another one.

I don't know, I think you could
also enforce an uninstall of vm175 with probably the same result.
what you mean be calculating the remaining topology and send it to the
remaining servers does not work, it would require to send a removal of a
segment, which would be rejected.
You would have to connect to each replica that has a replication
agreement with vm175 and remove the segment from that replica. But it
wouldn't really help much as once a replica is isolated from the central
one, it will not see the other operations going on in other replicas.

Once we have a topology resolver we will be able to warn that removing a
specific replica will cause a split brain and make very loud warnings
we have this already, see the output of Oleg's example:

ipa-replica-manage del vm-175.idm.lab.eng.brq.redhat.com
Topology after removal of vm-175.idm.lab.eng.brq.redhat.com will be
Server vm-036.idm.lab.eng.brq.redhat.com can't contact servers:
vm-056.idm.lab.eng.brq.redhat.com, vm-127.idm.lab.eng.brq.redhat.com
Server vm-056.idm.lab.eng.brq.redhat.com can't contact servers:
vm-244.idm.lab.eng.brq.redhat.com, vm-036.idm.lab.eng.brq.redhat.com,
Server vm-127.idm.lab.eng.brq.redhat.com can't contact servers:
vm-244.idm.lab.eng.brq.redhat.com, vm-056.idm.lab.eng.brq.redhat.com,
Server vm-244.idm.lab.eng.brq.redhat.com can't contact servers:
vm-056.idm.lab.eng.brq.redhat.com, vm-127.idm.lab.eng.brq.redhat.com
Continue to delete? [no]: yes

it tells you that the topology gets disconnected and which connections
will be missing, the continue yes/no is the --force,
the question was, should we allow a force in this situation ?

What it does is:
1. Checks current topology, prints errors with introduction msg:
   "Current topology is disconnected:" + errors
2. Checks topology after node removal, prints errors with msg:
   "Topology after removal of %s will be disconnected:" + errors
3. if there were errors in #1 or #2, it does:
   if not force and not ipautil.user_input("Continue to delete?", False):

To make it more loud we can introduce msg in #2 with: "WARNING: " or something even more louder

The question "Continue to delete?" could be
* removed, and therefore --force will be always required for such case
* be still regarded as 'force' but the question could be changed e.g. to: "Continue to delete and disconnect the topology?"

More interesting would be if we can heal this later by adding new
Indeed, reconnecting all the severed replicas should cause all the
removals (segments or servers) to be replicated among servers and should
bring back the topology view in a consistent state. But not until all
servers are reconnected and replication has started again.
This healing can also be required without forcing removal by an admin.
If you have a start topology and your central node goes down and is not


On 06/24/2015 11:04 AM, Oleg Fayans wrote:
Hi everybody,

Current implementation of topology plugin (including patch 878 from
Petr) allows the deletion of the central node in the star topology.
I had the following topology:

Petr Vobornik

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