On Mon, Dec 25, 2000 at 11:58:47PM -0600, Eric wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 25, 2000 at 10:41:01PM -0500, Travis Bemann wrote:
> >
> > <RANT>
> > The people at Tianenmen (sp?) Square all got killed because they were
> > stupid and naive. They thought that the Chinese gov't was going to be
> > all nice and such. They were so fucking wrong. The only way that
> > they could have won is if they had effectively started a civil war by
> > first neutralizing the Chinese political leadership (read: burning the
> > houses of and assassinating political leaders and functionaries as
> > well as military leaders and officers en masse (the en mass part is
> > *very* important - if there is anyone left to replace the people who
> > have been killed, then all of this is for nothing)) and doing
> > preemptive strikes (read: large bombings meant to kill hundreds or
> > even thousands (of troops) at a time as well as to destroy the
> > majority of the Chinese gov'ts vehicles and aircraft while in storage
> > or inactive on the ground) against Chinese military and government
> > facilities. Of course, all of this requires large amounts of
> > planning, secrecy, and coordination. There is also the problem of
> > getting all your guns and explosives without anyone noticing. Yes, a
> > lot of people on their side would have also been killed, but they
> > would have had a real chance for victory. Of course, they could still
> > make the same mistake that the Paris Commune made - they would still
> > be doomed if they were limited to an area such as a single city and
> > its suburbs which could be encircled by government troops. Note that
> > doing this kind of stuff preemptively is extremely important - you
> > need to do it before the government and the military can react - you
> > need to avoid the battlefield like the plague. Remember that the
> > government has tanks and bombers while you do not.
> > </RANT>
> >
>
> I'm feeling some bad energy from the people on this list. I think they knew what
>they were getting into, and would have rather died than put up with persecution any
>longer. I think what Ian is trying to say is that you have to put it all on the line
>to fight for your rights.
But which is worse - to fight and possibly die in combat or just be
executed before the wall? In combat, there is a chance for victory or
survival, or at least you can take a large number of government troops
with you. Before the firing squad, you're just dead while the
government takes no damage.
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Travis Bemann
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