"Vic Abell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't think someone should be authorized before the claimed identity
> has been authenticated.  Otherwise authorization might be given to
> someone falsely claiming an identity.

  Nonsense.  The authorization isn't returned to the caller until
after they've been authenticated.

  Vic: Hi, I'm Vic Abell, here for a conference

  Secretary: OK... we've got a file full of stuff for you.
             Hmm... a post-it not on the file says we need to see your
             drivers licence.

  Vic 1: Supplies license

  Secretary: OK, here's the file of conference information.  I'll keep
             the post-it note.


  Vic 2: Doesn't supply license.

  Secretary: Stuffs the file back into a box, and tells you to go
away.


  Alan DeKok.



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