Hello,

* Marc-André Moreau <[email protected]> [20110216 23:17]:
> > I have good ties to the very experienced guys of
> > http://www.gpl-violations.org/ and am more than happy to establish
> > contact and ensure involvement should such a case come to our collective
> > attention.
> >
> > I have reported some violations myself in the past.
[..]
> > Yeah, we could go on and on about this, I just think it is a very time
> > consuming task that drains your energy. We might as well just focus on
> > coding instead with people who want to collaborate.

which is why one simply shouldn't do that himself. there are people who
specialize in that, have the proper experience, and the proper processes
and background for it .. and are as well KNOWN for not backing down,
making companies give in WAY earlier.

> > > I think we should focus on working with the people that are
> > > willing to collaborate than working with people who aren't willing to
> > > collaborate. By switching to permissive licensing, we will get
> > > contributions from people that are actually willing to contribute
> > > in the first place.
> >
> > ... and not get code from people who don't want to see their code in
> > commercial-only products anymore. QED.
> >
> > Well, from what I've seen you haven't really contributed much code,
> > if any. How would this apply to you?

if you don't see the value of people devoting time and energy for
testing, feedback, bug reports, and 'end-user feedback' then you're
falling into the same trap as above - you're trying to do it all
yourself. this may earn you the right to tread it as 'your baby', and do
what you want with it, but it may also make people turn away because
their interest are being ignored.

xp-unlimited was _relevant_ to someone, so they invested the time and
energy to _discuss_ it, and to get it _done_. which helps the project,
if only by gently forcing a framework to be implemented that allows to
have those changes in an optional, plug-in fashion.

there WILL be people who have a _commercial_ interest in getting stuff
implemented with FreeRDP, and _no_ interest in the project beyond that.
they'll cut themselves off from _valuable_ developer feedback as I've
seen time and again on - which I've seen being dealt out on the
developer list time and again. the result of THAT will be (arguably) bad
code in a commercial product _based on FreeRDP_ that was driven by 'time
to market' and _commercial interests_ instead of mutual cooperation -
because they haven't been gently forced to cooperate under the GPL.

I also trust and believe that you are SURE that a license change to ASL
is the right thing to do, and that you're SURE that you're acting in the
best interest of the project - as you perceive it. I have a different
perception, as I have a different experience, and I reserve and insist
on the right to have a different opinion, which I'm totally willing to
disclose and explain - as I hope I have done in this mail.

I don't consider the GPL unreasonably (!) less free than the ASL, but
I'm coming from a GPL world (I've been working for convergence GmbH,
who did LinuxTV and DirectFB, and involved with Debian et al).

Any code can be based on interfaces (!) provided by GPL software, and
still stay proprietary. If it directly integrates with or enhanced the
code - you're supposed to give it back to the community where you got
the original code from. I consider that good. We're all standing on the
shoulders of giants (e.g. gcc) which could only grow BECAUSE of the GPL.
Think about it.

With kind regards,

   Andreas

-- 
Andreas Kotes, CISSP, CCNA - flatline IT services - ISP & IT Consulting
"Love many things, for therein lies the true strength, and whosoever
loves much performs much, and can accomplish much, and what is done
in love is done well." -- Vincent van Gogh

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