Hi all,


In theory, it is simply: errors in the communication path result in 
errors in the codec2 stream, that might or might not get corrected by 
the FEC-system. This may result in impaired speech decoding.

The problem is this:

As codec2 supports more and more different bitrates and different modems 
are getting developed using different bitrates, different FEC scemes and 
differt modulation scemes, the end-result -the demodulated voice audio- 
can differ quite a bit depeding on a lot of different factors, 
especially if the transmission-stream is impacted by interference.
In addition to this, the subjective perception how good / acceptable / 
bad decodec voice sounds will probably differ from person to person.


In the end, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. That is why we 
would like to propose this:

- We are looking for somebody who can set up/create a webbased system to 
allow people (anybody on the web) to "score" audio-samples. These 
samples are the same audio-fragment per test-batch, encoded using 
different codecs, different bitrates or 
formated/modulated/corrupted/demodulated/extracted using different modems.

- A test would be a batch of (say) 10 audio-samples. The user should get 
to hear them one by one and be able to give a score (say between 1 and 
<whatever>) for everyone of them.

- For every tests, different audio-samples and/or in different order 
should be provided.

- The user should not receive any "background" information about the 
audio-sample, this to assure the double-blind characteristic of the test.



The end is to have a database of subjective scores by as much people as 
possive, of codec2 encoded at different bitrates and the resistance of a 
particual modem to transmission-errors

One of the questions we want to answer is:
"do we need add FEC to a modem to transmit codec2 over the radio"? Does 
it help? Does it help enough to counter the lower S/N due to the wide 
bandwidht.
Or perhaps a "halfway" sollution and only protecting part of the voice 
data is better?




As noted above, this is something where -I think- the community can do 
its part. If you have experience with setting up web-based application, 
this is your change to win etteral fame in "the codec wars".

This initiative should really will help codec2 by allowing the 
developers of the codec, the modems and the upper-layer applications to 
mix-and-match the correct combination of all element to provide hams 
worldwide the best possible codec2 DV experience, on HF and on VHF/UHF.



73
Kristoff - ON1ARF


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