Hello David,

another hint: If the dynamic range is not so important and for system tests
you can use one of these RTL28xx chips providing 8-Bit I,Q samples for
direct access or a complete VHF/UHF-RX. See
http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr 

73, Helmut, DC6NY


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Helmut [mailto:[email protected]] 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. Oktober 2015 08:17
An: [email protected]
Betreff: [Freetel-codec2] WG: gain before ADC

Ups,....seems I got a problem also with to less coffee....

BPF insertion loss refers to pass band not stop band, hi.

73, Helmut, DC6NY

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Helmut [mailto:[email protected]] 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Oktober 2015 23:29
An: [email protected]
Betreff: Re: [Freetel-codec2] gain before ADC

Hi David,

I understood what you plan, but analogue  down conversion is another story.
The example I sent you should demonstrate how this attached system
calculation tool works. It shows a VHF frontend for digital down conversion,
i.e. the ADC has to be sampled with 300 Msps. The BPF of 144 to 146 MHz
exhibits an insertion loss of 2 dB in the stop band and consequently a noise
figure of 2 dB.
In your case NF or MDS is mainly not determined by the ADC in the base band,
but on all analogue stages in front.  It depends e.g. on what kind of mixer
you intend to use: balanced passive mixers exhibit an insertion loss of 7-8
dB (equal NF 7- 8 dB), while modern active mixer provide even conversion
gain. BTW negative NF doesn’t exist. I guess you meant negative gain (loss)
of the BPF.
Nevertheless you can use that SYScal tool of course also for your approach
to calculate the necessary gain of preamp and IF amp.


73, Helmut, DC6NY





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