I've simulated adding a powerful, but reasonably short, LDPC code 
developed by Bill vk5dsp to Codec 2 700C. Early days, but looks like a 
5dB improvement on a HF channel:

   http://www.rowetel.com/?p=5485

Next step is porting to a new FreeDV 700D mode that can be tested over 
the air.

- David


On 18/03/17 16:08, David Rowe wrote:
> Hello Steve,
>
> Listening to the unquantised vocoder model is a good test.  If the
> quantisers are perfect, then the quantised and unquantised should sound
> the same, but usually we trade off some quality in that step.
>
> There is also some resampling going on, like moving between 10 and 40ms
> frame updates.
>
> c2sim can be used to simulate various stages of quantisation, for
> example completely unquantised, codec 2 model:
>
>   $ ./c2sim hts1a.raw -o - | aplay -f S16_LE
>
> is very high quality, and consists of one amplitude and phase for each
> harmonic, and the number of harmonics is time varying.
>
> I have attached the (unquantised) _uq versions for comparison to 1300.
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
>
> On 18/03/17 15:06, Steve wrote:
>> Well, the weird experiment today, was to remove all of the Codec2
>> quantization, so I could hear what it sounds like before high
>> compression.
>>
>> It definitely sounds like a vocoder even sans compression :-)
>>
>> Instead of packed bytes I just sent a class (structure) back and forth
>> with all the parameters as floats or booleans. Billions and billions of
>> bits per second :-)
>>
>> Codec2Test <https://github.com/ObjectToolworks/Codec2Test>
>>
>> Alas, it's Java, but it's a way to rapid application development for me.
>> I started with the 1300 vocoder, and then removed all the quantization
>> stuff.
>>
>> The thing is, I think the raw vocoder sounds a lot like 1300 mode. That
>> is, most of the warble is already there before the compression and bit
>> errors.
>>
>> Now admittedly, the Java code might not be perfect, so there is that
>> error to think about.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
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