Hi Ross,

We've already moved through steps 1 (development against software channel simulator) and step 2 (one-way real world HF Tx to SDRs), our progress to date is summarised here:

  http://www.rowetel.com/?p=7688

As you can see the physical layer aspect of the project is coming along nicely.  We have indeed been developing against CCIR poor (Multi-Path Poor or MPP in Ionos/Winlink nomenclature), and are getting encouraging results (see PNG in previous post).

Simon lives in a flat so even local Tx is difficult for him, and at this stage of the project (protocol development) he really needs to test the back to back interactions between two radios.

The HF/Mimo work sounds interesting, would love to see the papers!

Thanks,
David

On 2/5/21 12:27 pm, Ross Whenmouth wrote:
Hi David & Simon,

To start with, rather than using two back-back radios (presumably with a large attenuation factor in the RF connection between the two), you could use an HF channel simulator such as; GNU Radio https://wiki.gnuradio.org/index.php/Channel_Model <https://wiki.gnuradio.org/index.php/Channel_Model> Ionos (Winlink) https://winlink.org/content/ionos_simulator <https://winlink.org/content/ionos_simulator> PathSim http://www.moetronix.com/ae4jy/pathsim.htm <http://www.moetronix.com/ae4jy/pathsim.htm> (CCIR has published standardised HF channel models (eg CCIR poor) with which to configure your channel simulator)


Once you are ready to try out your modem "over the air", to start with, you probably only need to set up a transmitter at your QTH as you are blessed with access to a large number of public web SDRs around continental Europe: http://rx.linkfanel.net/ <http://rx.linkfanel.net/>

Notably, there are nearby receivers in Karlsruhe and Stuttgart, and if you are looking for a longer path (~450 km), the receiver at the University of Twente, Enschede, Netherlands is a good option.
Karlsruhe http://sdr.pjs.de:8073/ <http://sdr.pjs.de:8073/>
Stuttgart http://dj9kaikiwi.ddns.net:8073/ <http://dj9kaikiwi.ddns.net:8073/>    " http://bat-server.dyndns.org:8073/ <http://bat-server.dyndns.org:8073/>
   " http://dl2sba.ddns.net:8073/ <http://dl2sba.ddns.net:8073/>
University Twente http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/ <http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/>


PS: Some very interesting research into 2x2 MIMO for HF digital channels has been performed recently - I can send you the papers if you are interested.


73 ZL2WRW
Ross Whenmouth


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