John Molohan wrote:
> Duncan Webb wrote:
>> John Molohan wrote:
>>> Duncan Webb wrote:
>>>> Duncan Webb wrote:
>>>>> Duncan Webb wrote:
>>>>>> Duncan Webb wrote:
>>>>>>> Duncan Webb wrote:
>>>>>>>
At last I think that there is a copy of the plug-in in svn r8355 that
works for both xine and df_xine.
I really don't understand the cause, which is bad, but the latest
version should work.
Duncan
>>>> Hi Richard,
>>>>
>>>> Now that every thing working correctly I have begun testing John's
>>>> problem with df_xine.
>>>>
>>>> As you already know the ivtv_xine_tv plug-in does cause a crash, at exit
>>>> when the stop button has been pressed.
>>>>
>>>> Running kill from an xterm on the xine pid kills the application cleanly
>>>> and it doesn't crash. Just exits cleanly and freevo returns.
>>>>
>>>> I've added the two embed vbi calls into tv.ivtv.py and these are now
>>>> committed into svn.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> From current svn:
>>>
>>> failed to load plugin tv.ivtv_xine_tv
>>> start 'freevo plugins -l' to get a list of plugins
>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>> File "/home/media/freevo-1.5/src/plugin.py", line 570, in __load_plugin__
>>> exec('import %s' % module)
>>> File "<string>", line 1, in ?
>>> File "/home/media/freevo-1.5/src/tv/plugins/ivtv_xine_tv.py", line 414
>>> <<<<<<< .mine
>>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> svn conflict:
>> rm /home/media/freevo-1.5/src/tv/plugins/ivtv_xine_tv.py
>> svn resolved /home/media/freevo-1.5/src/tv/plugins/ivtv_xine_tv.py
>> svn update
>>
>>
> Indeed it was, learn something new every day, thanks.
>>
>>> ^
>>> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm finding it difficult to find a sensible place to add these calls,
>>>> they go like:
>>>> # disable embedded vbi data
>>>> self.embed = ivtv_dev.getvbiembed()
>>>> ivtv_dev.setvbiembed(0)
>>>> .... on exit ....
>>>> ivtv_dev.setvbiembed(self.embed)
>>>>
>>>> Setting the embedded state back is good practice, but I could probably
>>>> work around this for my recordings.
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts and ideas?
>>>>
>>>> Duncan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> I've narrowed down this problem to one of the ioctls that freevo sets
>>>>>>> during start up causing a DMA crash in the firmware encoder with
>>>>>>> ivtv-0.4.7. Already posted a message to the ivtv list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My next task is to figure out which ioctl is causing this problem. And
>>>>>>> will try ivtv-0.4.6 as this is a version that doesn't include the latest
>>>>>>> DMA changes to the driver.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To be continued...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Figured it out at last!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the PVR-350 the tuner is input 4
>>>>>> On the PVR-500 the tuners are input 0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Changing video groups fixes this problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However I've notices two unknown ioctls in the freevo start-up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> 1) VIDIOCGCAP the old v4l get capabilities actually calls VIDIOC_QUERYCAP
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) VIDIOC_ENUM_FMT to enumerate image formats, IIRC this was supported
>>>>> in earlier ivtv drivers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Now having done this live tv is working pretty well. However I've
>>>>>> noticed a couple of problems when using keyboard input (not tried the
>>>>>> remote yet)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * The first SPACE doesn't pause, it requires a second SPACE to pause
>>>>>> * Using Q to quit also requires an ENTER key press.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Duncan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Hog wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Richard,
>>>>>>>> Some testing from this morning, when I run the command from an xterm on
>>>>>>>> another machine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> df_xine --layer=0 --deinterlace pvr:///freevo/timeshift/buf-
>>>>>>>> xine --hide-gui -pq -g -B --geometry 720x576+0+0 --no-splash --no-lirc
>>>>>>>> -V xv -A alsa --stdctl pvr:///freevo/timeshift/buf-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> both works perfectly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So I guess that the problem is there is a ioctl being done in freevo
>>>>>>>> that the PVR-500 doesn't like, tracking this down is a bit harder.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've improved the fbxine and df_xine test in the plug-in to:
>>>>>>>> try:
>>>>>>>> xinecmd = config.XINE_COMMAND.split(' ')[0].split('/')[-1]
>>>>>>>> self.fbxine = xinecmd in ('fbxine', 'df_xine')
>>>>>>>> except:
>>>>>>>> xinecmd = ''
>>>>>>>> self.fbxine = False
>>>>>>>> And added two debugs for xinecmd and self.fbxine.
>>>>>>>> The changes have been committed in r8353.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will also add an ioctl to get (IVTV_IOC_G_VBI_EMBED) and set the
>>>>>>>> (IVTV_IOC_S_VBI_EMBED) the embedded vbi data.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But I don't want to do this as this is a problem with xine, but I may
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> forced to.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've put in a bug report on the xine tracker for this problem.
>>>>>>>> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=109655&aid=1575775&group_id=9655
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe this is a stupid question, but, are you sure that freevo has
>>>>>>>>> access to
>>>>>>>>> the video device? (is Freevo running as root?) Some older xine
>>>>>>>>> versions have
>>>>>>>>> the video device hard coded (in pvr.c) to /dev/video0. The current
>>>>>>>>> version
>>>>>>>>> has a configurable setting in ~/.xine/config:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> # device used for WinTV-PVR 250/350 (pvr plugin)
>>>>>>>>> # string, default: /dev/video0
>>>>>>>>> media.wintv_pvr.device:/dev/video0
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A blank screen sounds like that freevo/xine isn't accessing the proper
>>>>>>>>> device.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Richard.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
>>>>>>>>> From: Duncan Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>>>>> Date: 12-Oct-2006 00:26
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Freevo-devel] [ freevo-Bugs-1568856 ] Pygame error:
>>>>>>>>> traceback
>>>>>>>>> with ivtv_xine_tv and directfb
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Hog wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, I'll wait for you to report back.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Okay the patch works under X11, at least I think it does but every
>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>> I run the plug-in I just get a blank screen. Checking the log shows
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> the correct command is being executed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What I'm finding strange, at the moment, is:
>>>>>>>>>> Just after booting and running the command from the command line:
>>>>>>>>>> xine -V xv -A alsa pvr:///<dir>
>>>>>>>>>> it works a treat.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I can run this again and again without problems.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As soon as I've done this through freevo the tuner locks up and I
>>>>>>>>>> get a
>>>>>>>>>> blank screen, very strange as I get a blank screen then from the
>>>>>>>>>> command
>>>>>>>>>> line. Even a firmware reset doesn't help.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So it could be:
>>>>>>>>>> a command line argument that is somehow incorrect,
>>>>>>>>>> a v4l command that is incompatible with the PVR-500.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> df_xine, only gives me blank screens but I've not tried this on a
>>>>>>>>>> mpeg
>>>>>>>>>> file yet. The other dfb example programs work just fine.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> These I will have to investigate tomorrow.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Duncan
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Richard.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Duncan Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 11-Oct-2006 20:20
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Freevo-devel] [ freevo-Bugs-1568856 ] Pygame error:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> traceback
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> with ivtv_xine_tv and directfb
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Hog wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am a bit confused since we have two open bugs and an email
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thread for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> communication... Do we now have a solution for John? That is, does
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ivtv_xine_tv now work with both x11 and fb displays, and is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> command
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> also responsive (no x-seconds long black screen) on directfb?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lets stick to the list until we have a solution for John. I'll
>>>>>>>>>>>> test both
>>>>>>>>>>>> directfb and x11 but have to keep changing the config. I'll do
>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>> more testing and write again, could be in the morning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The patch seems fine to me (did you test it on x11?). Altough I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> switch
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a basic display setting than on a xine parameter, if this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> works then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine for freevo 1.6.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not yet, I've been trying to get df_xine working, I'm not sure
>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>> version on libmpeg3 to use, tried 1.7 and DirectFB-extras wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> build, 1.6 seems to build but I'm not getting any output. Could be
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> PVR-500 card not working again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note, I opened a new bug to upload the updated plugin. It seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> possible
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in non-admin mode) to attach files to a bug once its status has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> closed
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see the history of the bug).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Good to know, I'll be more careful about closing them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Duncan Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 11-Oct-2006 19:28
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Freevo-devel] [ freevo-Bugs-1568856 ] Pygame error:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> traceback
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with ivtv_xine_tv and directfb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John Molohan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard what about doing?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> config.XINE_COMMAND.split('/')[-1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Should return df_xine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See attached patch, what do you think?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Duncan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Duncan Webb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SourceForge.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bugs item #1568856, was opened at 2006-10-01 18:59
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take this out of the tracker until we have a solution.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cool.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Comment By: John Molohan (johnmolohan)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 2006-10-11 15:39
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Logged In: YES
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user_id=774680
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Duncan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ivtv_xine_tv.py (420): config.CONF.xine=/usr/bin/xine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ivtv_xine_tv.py (421):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> config.XINE_COMMAND=/usr/local/src/DirectFB-extra-0.9.25/samples/df_xine/df_xine
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ivtv_xine_tv.py (422): config.XINE_ARGS_DEF=-l 0 -d
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ivtv_xine_tv.py (423): config.XINE_TV_VO_DEV=
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ivtv_xine_tv.py (424): config.XINE_TV_AO_DEV=
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ivtv_xine_tv.py (425):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> config.XINE_TV_TIMESHIFT_FILEMASK=/home/media/livetv-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This gives me the correct command for df_xine (I don't think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've changed anything else)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ChildApp.__init__(), pid=9309, app= /usr/local/bin/df_xine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -l 0 -d -V -A --stdctl pvr:///home/media/livetv-, poll=-1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is incorrect, isn't it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -V , --version display version information
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] freevo-1.5]# df_xine -V
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (*) DirectFB/Config: Parsing config file '/etc/directfbrc'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> df_xine 0.9.25 is a DirectFB frontend for xine-lib-1.1.2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This doesn't seem to stop the command when the other correct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> arguments
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are passed as well which is a bit strange. Maybe it should be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -v N,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --verbosity=N set verbosity level to N (minimum: 0,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maximum: 2,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default: 1)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -l N, --layer=N use layer N for video playback
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's right, -l 0 in my case.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> , --stdctl turn on controlling xine over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> STDIN
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -d , --deinterlace enable frame deinterlacing by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What happens when you run from the command line:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> df_xine -l 0 -d pvr:///home/media/livetv-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does this then work?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It does indeed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't run it at the moment, still not configured DirectFB :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bummer. Anything I could help with or is it a matter of free
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time? I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to say that I was expecting a bit of an ordeal setting all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff up again for my G400 but it was a breeze.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A matter of installing DirectFB-cvs and then DirectFB-0.9.25.1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installing libmpeg3 correctly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Comment By: Duncan Webb (duncanwebb)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 2006-10-11 15:31
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Logged In: YES
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user_id=104395
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With debugging turned on you should see at the very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beginning of your main log some XINE configuration stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will you post these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _debug_( 'config.CONF.xine=%s' % (config.CONF.xine) )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _debug_( 'config.XINE_COMMAND=%s' % (config.XINE_COMMAND) )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _debug_( 'config.XINE_ARGS_DEF=%s' % (config.XINE_ARGS_DEF) )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _debug_( 'config.XINE_TV_VO_DEV=%s' % (config.XINE_TV_VO_DEV)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _debug_( 'config.XINE_TV_AO_DEV=%s' % (config.XINE_TV_AO_DEV)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _debug_( 'config.XINE_TV_TIMESHIFT_FILEMASK=%s' %
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (config.XINE_TV_TIMESHIFT_FILEMASK) )
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> self.command = '%s %s -V %s -A %s --stdctl pvr://%s' % \
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (config.XINE_COMMAND, config.XINE_ARGS_DEF,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> config.XINE_TV_VO_DEV, \
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> config.XINE_TV_AO_DEV, config.XINE_TV_TIMESHIFT_FILEMASK)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the self.command is incorrect for df_xine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have a command line that works becuase this can then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be put into the plug-in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Duncan
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