----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- From: Hans Meine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I feel the need to support Duncan in this decison. Apart from that the sourceforge tracker is one of the worst change management tools that I have seen, it certainly fulfills a needs of developers: - Descriptions and attached information are grouped together - Issues are archived and accesible in a central place, for everyone - Issues can get priority, status and revision tags - Issues can be visibly assigned to people - Issues are seperated from other emails - Overviews are printable Usually, I check my email to see what's new and hot. I check the buglist to see the status of the project's bug and change requests. So I'd vote for the tracker. Maybe in a reconfigured form. Richard. > Hi Duncan, > > then let me tell you my opinion. > > On Thursday, 19. October 2006 12:02, Duncan Webb wrote: > > 1) It's open to everybody, people can read what changes have been done > > without having to me a member of a freevo list. > That's no real argument, since that's what mailing list archives are for. > E.g. http://www.mail-archive.com/freevo-devel%40lists.sourceforge.net/ > or http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum=freevo-devel > or USENET: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.video.freevo.devel > > > 2) It's reliable, once you have posted a patch there you know that it > > available for everybody. > No problem with a mailing list either, is it? > > > 3) The history of a fix or an update is together under one item. > That's what threaded views of a ML discussion are for. Even better, you can > follow branches of a discussion. That's better in your mailer than in the > archives, but that's a major grieve I have with the tracker. > http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=30752744&forum_id=9200 > > > 4) It's easy to see what is outstanding. > Tick. > > > 5) The change log is brief and if somebody would like to know more > > information about a change they know exactly where to look. > Again, no real argument since you can also post a link to an ML archive. > Besides, I like changelogs which are not too brief. > > > 6) Files don't get corrupted. > They shouldn't with a decent mailer. > > > 7) AFAIK It's backed up by sourceforge.net. > See above, same for mailing lists. > > > 8) It has space for a subject and a description, which version it > > applies to. > Tick. > > So two valid arguments among eight, from my viewpoint. > > > Why I don't like email for patches > > > > 1) A mailing list is not 100% reliable, you the sender cannot be certain > > that the message has been delivered to all recipients. > Not sure what to say here; the tracker isn't 100% reliable, too, and the only > problem I sometimes have with the ML is that I use the wrong sending address > and get an error message back. With the SF tracker, I had quite some > problems logging in however. > > > 2 ) It's easy to miss important messages when you're been away for a > > week or so, you come back to tens or hundreds of messages. > You are using filters & folders, are you? I get > 100 mails/day, but neatly > sorted into separate folders, and I did not yet miss a single Freevo one. > > > 3) If I'm very busy, I may well forget a message with a patch, when the > > patch is on the tracker it will be picked up. > One can mark a message as "TODO" in mailers nowadays. However, I see this as > a "tick", since its obviously an advantage of a tracker. > > > 4) Email programs, at least Thunderbird on Windows, convert the > > attachments to native format. > There should be a way to avoid that, otherwise it's a bug. > > So what are my main problems with the tracker? > > * MAJOR: Broken threading - KMail won't even thread the mails "by > subject" (probably because there's no "Re: " prepended?). > > * Much more complicated to use - much easier to send mails with your favorite > program than to log in (remember the password?!) and use some web GUI for > composing messages. > > * No quoting -> no highlighting in the mails. > > * But each mail by the tracker contains lots of junk, it's hard to make out > the new part. > > * And the order is busted (first "message" on top, rest from bottom to below > the first). > > * Also you say it: > > Okay I know the tracker is not perfect. It tends to incorrectly format > > messages, you can easily check this by adding a few spaces at the start > > of a paragraph pushing the text along to check that it doesn't have any > > extra line breaks and then remove the spaces. > "easily check this"? Did not get that part fully I guess. > > Reading the mails from the tracker takes simply too much time compared to the > others, that's why I now skip most of them. I very much prefer simple, short > mails with proper quoting (no full-quote, top-posting ones). > > Ciao, / / > /--/ > / / ANS > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? 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