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Heh
Check out http://www.bilderberg.org/
I really should update the mirror at
http://marsbard.com/www.bilderberg.org/
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On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, Richard Ayres wrote:
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> Frendz,
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> I thought one or two on this list might be interested in the secret
> Bilderberg thang....
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> Subject: Bilderberg: Secret minutes revealed for first time in 50 years
> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 18:08:04 +0000
> From: "News Desk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> No-WTO
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> apologies for cross-posting
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> Title: 'Bilderberg': Secret Minutes Revealed for the first time in 50 years
> Date: 15 NOV '99
> Author: Gibby Zobel
> Source: The Big Issue, London
> Style: News Article
>
> For nearly 50 years an elite group of the West�s most powerful men and
> women, including Bill Clinton and Tony Blair, has met in secret. Today The
> Big Issue can reveal for the first time the confidential minutes � The
> Bilderberg Papers � of what some commentators have called a �shadow world
> government�.
> The clandestine meetings do not make policy, yet directly inform the
> thinking of world leaders.
> This year�s meeting took place in June under armed guard at the exclusive
> Caesar Park Hotel, Penha Longa, Portugal. Northern Ireland secretary of
> state Peter Mandelson, Conservative MP Kenneth Clarke, and environmentalist
> Jonathon Porritt attended and mixed with presidents, chairmen of
> multinational companies, world bankers, Nato chiefs and defence ministers.
> The 64-page leaked document reveals the group was advised that after Kosovo,
> �Russia now has carte blanche to intervene in Chechnya. Nato will not bomb
> Moscow if Russia invades Chechnya.� Two hundred thousand Chechens have been
> forced to flee their homes since Russia began bombing last month.
> Last week the Clinton administration accused Russia of breaking
> international law. But the minutes make clear that world leaders are
> operating in an environment where international law has become obsolete and
> where Nato is in danger of effectively becoming a colonial power
> In another debate � �How Durable is the Current Rosy Complexion of European
> Politics?�� Britain�s cuts in welfare were put into sharp context.
> �The new Left,� argued one Briton, was �consolidating the victories of the
> Right. The electoral failures of the Right had largely been self-inflicted,
> and the Left may well prove to be better at reforming the welfare state.
> With 17 million unemployed, it might be easier for somebody who claimed to
> be a socialist to impose change.� Welfare, one panellist thought, would be
> the �Red man�s burden�. Governments had to �think like business people�.
> But not every socialist government in Europe has bitten the bullet � the
> group talked of Germany, France and Italy�s lack of �guts� for welfare cuts.
>
> Governments� fear of social unrest was the major reason for lack of action.
> As a British panellist noted: �Things would only change when the cost of not
> doing anything really did seem larger than that of doing something.�
> Most of the group thought the new European Left was just a �genetically
> modified version� of the old one. �It is simply a rotation of power,� said
> one German. �In many cases the real power lies with central banks.� This
> idea was given greater emphasis by discussions about the introduction of
> dollarisation.
>
> The Bilderberg papers reveal:
> - Nato has �given Russia carte blanche to intervene in Chechnya�
> - After the euro, a global currency � �dollarisation� � may be the next step
> - Post-Kosovo, Nato is in danger of mimicking a colonial empire
> - It�s easier to cut welfare benefits if you call yourself a socialist
>
> HIDDEN AGENDA - FEATURE
>
> In the first of a two-part series, Gibby Zobel uncovers how the global power
> elite decides our future � at the shadowy Bilderberg Summit each year.
> Documents from the secret summit - leaked to The Big Issue - reveal what
> they said about money and war
>
> For nearly 50 years an elite group of the West�s most powerful men and
> women, a shadow world government, have met in secret. Tony Blair is in the
> club. Every US president since Ike Eisenhower has been too. So are top
> members of the British Government. So are the people who control what you
> watch and read � the media barons. Which is why you may never have heard of
> Bilderberg.
> �Lines of black limousines, unmarked except for a �B� on the windscreen,
> swept in, sometimes accompanied by police escorts, sometimes not,� says an
> eyewitness of this year�s meeting in Portugal. �A helicopter was overhead,
> and other security officers were prudently patrolling the hillsides. The
> policy on duty at the gates made it crystal clear that they were only the
> tip of the security iceberg.�
> For two-and-a-half days, relaxing in exclusive luxury amid vast armed
> security, the powerful leaders discussed past and future wars, a European
> superstate, a global currency, genetics, and the dismantling of the welfare
> state. Unaccountable, untroubled and unreported, the Bilderberg meetings
> have formed the basis of international policy for decades.
> Last year freelance journalist Campbell Thomas was arrested just for
> knocking on doors near the clandestine gathering in Turnberry, Scotland. He
> remained in custody for eight hours. Other journalists were told that even
> the Bilderberg menu was confidential (a move they named �Kippergate�). A
> serving police officer told �The Big Issue�: �Special Branch and CIA were
> everywhere � they were calling the shots.�
> Never in its 47-year history has the content of these discussions been made
> public. Until now. �The Big Issue� has uncovered the Bilderberg Papers � the
> secret minutes of this year�s meeting in Portugal. Some of it is banal, some
> of it sensational. It blows the lid off the thoughts of presidents, chairmen
> of multinational companies, world bankers, Nato chiefs and defence
> ministers.
> The meetings are shrouded in such secrecy that Prime Minister Tony Blair,
> when asked last year in the House of Commons, failed to disclosed his own
> attendance at Bilderberg in Athens in 1993. So, what have they been hiding?
>
> Although 14 media chiefs and journalists from across eight countries
> attended this year, none of them chose to tell their readers of the meeting.
> It would not serve their interests to be cut out of the elite loop. With an
> invite-only guest-list, covert operations and such deafening silence, it is
> little surprise that conspiracy theories have thrived, from the anti-semites
> who believe in a Jewish global elite, to the paranoid delusions of the
> radical left. The effect has been to leave the importance of the meetings
> tainted by association. It suits the Bilderbergers perfectly.
> The Bilderberg meetings began in a Dutch hotel on May 29 1954, from where it
> gets its name. �The Economist�, in a rare reference to it in 1987, said
> that the importance of the meetings was overplayed but admitted: �When you
> have scaled the Bilderberg, you have arrived.�
> At last year�s meeting, former defence minister George Robertson, who is now
> Nato secretary-general, planned strategies with the Bilderberg chair and
> ex-Nato chief Lord Carrington.
> �Observer� editor-in-chief Will Hutton attended Bilderberg in 1997. He
> believes that it is the home of the �high priests of globalisation�. �No
> policy is made here,� he says, �it is all talk. But the consensus
> established is the backdrop against which policy is made worldwide.�
>
> The 64-page leaked document � The Bilderberg Papers � is dated August 1999.
> The powerful transatlantic clique at the private hideaway included new
> Northern Ireland secretary Peter Mandelson MP, environmentalist Jonathon
> Porritt, Kenneth Clarke MP, former US secretary of state Henry Kissinger,
> billionaire oil and banking tycoon David Rockefeller, Monsanto chief Robert
> B Shapiro, and the head of the World Bank, James D Wolfensohn.
> Although Asian and African politics and economics were discussed the
> continents� countries had no seats at this summit. The official eight-strong
> UK delegation included bankers Martin Taylor, former chief executive of
> Barclay�s and Eric Roll, a banker for Warburgs. They were joined by Martin
> Wolf of The Financial Times and two journalists from The Economist, John
> Micklethwait and Adrian Wooldridge, who, the minutes indicate, prepared this
> document.
> The papers are marked �Not for Quotation�. It states: �There were 111
> participants from 24 countries. All participants spoke in their personal
> capacity, not as representatives of their national governments or employers.
> As is usual at Bilderberg meetings, in order to permit frank and open
> discussion, no public reporting of the conference took place.�
> None of the quotes in each of the 10 sections are directly attributable to
> any named individual, but the moderator and panellists in each discussion
> are listed. It is made perfectly clear, however, who is saying what. It is
> not known who else is in the audience, but their comments are identified by
> their country and profession.
> Over two weeks, we report on the central themes of this year�s meeting. This
> week: money and war. Next week: genetics � what the head of Monsanto and a
> leading British environmentalist discussed behind closed doors.
>
> what they said about� money
> Giants of the global banking world, in a debate titled �Redesigning the
> International Financial Architecture�, discussed the concept of
> �dollarisation� which is sure to send euro-sceptics into a frenzy.
> Around the table were Kenneth Clarke MP, Martin S Feldstein, president of
> the National Bureau of Economic Research, Stanley Fisher, deputy managing
> director of the International Monetary Fund (IMF), Ottmar Issing, board
> member of the European Central Bank and Jean Claude Trichet, governor of the
> Bank of France.
> Bilderberg is understood to have been the birthplace of the single european
> currency. The deputy director of the IMF opens by remarking: �It is worth
> noting that this is the first Bilderberg meeting where the euro is fact
> rather than a topic for discussion.�
> During the discussion, �One of the panellists was sure that if the euro
> worked, more regional currencies would emerge. Others raised the question of
> dollarisation as a possible cure.�
> There is a dissenting voice:
> �The only possible reason for surrendering control of your monetary policy
> to Washington (where nobody would make decisions on the basis of what
> mattered in Buenos Aires [or London]) is the fairly rotten financial records
> of the governments concerned.�
>
> what they said about� war
> Despite Tony Blair�s presidential stance over Kosovo, Nato�s historic war
> was pilloried at Bilderberg. �The mood at the meeting was surprisingly
> subdued� most of the speakers concentrated on the downside of the conflict,�
> begins the discussion on Kosovo.
> Henry Kissinger, former US secretary of state, weighs in, saying Kosovo
> �could be this generation�s Vietnam�. Nato is in danger of replacing the
> Ottoman and Habsburg Empires in a series of permanent protectorates, he
> said. Another panellist warned that troops could be there for 25 years.
> Kissinger felt that this left Nato open to accusations of colonialism. �How
> did one persuade countries like China, Russia and India that Nato�s new
> mandate was not just a new version of �the white man�s burden� �
> colonialism?� asked Kissinger.
> Charles D Boyd, executive director of the US National Study Group, said
> Kosovo is now a wasteland, a humanitarian disaster comparable with Cambodia.
> �Nato used force as a substitute for diplomacy rather than as a support for
> it� it used force in a way that minimised danger to itself but maximised
> danger to the people it was trying to protect.�
> An unnamed British politician �wondered whether the [Nato] alliance could
> hang together after the end of the war. He warned that �there would be
> little popular enthusiasm for putting lots of resources into solving the
> region�s gigantic problems.�
> Peter Mandelson told the group that �two roads stretch in front of Nato. One
> leads to a new division of Europe, where the continent returns to its
> ethnocentric ways. Under this scenario, the UN is fairly powerless, Russia
> and China are excluded, and Nato is little more than an enforcer. The second
> road is a little closer to the nineteenth century Europe, with all the great
> powers � not just America and the EU, but Russia, China and Japan
> co-operating.�
>
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