I got Bob's book and am just getting into it. He's describing a new mathematical method of analyzing feedbacks, that moves causation around somehow. I'm not sure if he'd go as far as I would, saying it's the loops 'inside' the growth system that animate it, and that much of it's causation is internal. There are certainly lots of interesting foggy areas in the information we can obtain. My preference is in using careful 'listening' devices to help penetrate the fog, rather than models, for example.
Anyway, I've tried submitting the present good version of my current paper (on listening for non-linear dynamics in the fossil record) to Nature, Paleobiology and Historical Biology and sort of exhausted my list of credible paleontology journals that might be interested in complex systems in evolution. Do you, or anyone else, know of another, or perhaps a complexity journal that might be literate in paleontology? Phil Henshaw ¸¸¸¸.·´ ¯ `·.¸¸¸¸ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 680 Ft. Washington Ave NY NY 10040 tel: 212-795-4844 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] explorations: www.synapse9.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Guerin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:49 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity > Coffee Group' > Subject: RE: [FRIAM] necsi conference > > > Hi Phil, > > Your comments remind me a little of Bob Ulanowicz's interest > in the distinction between 'growth' and 'development'. > http://tinyurl.com/znqw6 > > Have you read any of his stuff? > > -Steve > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Phil Henshaw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 10:50 PM > > To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' > > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] necsi conference > > > > Thanks, There certainly seems to be a lot going on; 32 > > major speakers > > and 320 papers in 16 sessions! > > > > I searched the NECSI site for the subject of 'growth' and > > found 44 pages. There was no mention of NECSI's growth > > itself, though that might > > have been interesting. All but 7 hits were NECSI06 conference > > abstracts. Only one clearly referred to dynamic system > > growth as involving changes in the organization of the > > system... Everyone seems to assume growth refers to the > > shape of a curve, and not what's > > happening inside the thing producing the curve. > > > > That seems remarkable given that a) growth curves are most > > commonly evidence of internal loops in local processes that > > are emerging as a system, and b) almost anything we can > > interpret as a natural system > > traceably comes into being by growth. > > > > Shouldn't we use the curves to help point us toward what > > they're coming from? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm at the NECSI conference in Boston this week and > > recommend a look > > > at the program web page with links to abstracts and papers, > > > http://www.necsi.org/community/wiki/index.php/ICCS06. > > > Extremely interesting variety of presentations. > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > ============================================================ > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays > > 9a-11:30 at cafe > > > at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at > > > http://www.friam.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > > > > ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
