Yes, I'd entirely agree, but also when you have classic models of 
failure it shows you the systems elements available to put together a 
different way.   I have a lot of models for natural systems 
solutions.   

One that I didn't invent but is showing remarkable staying power is 
the integration of hard measures, study of whole impacts and best 
practices of holistic design and development that the architect's 
sustainability movement is based on, the LEED model.    There's lots 
of room to reinvent stuff from natural system principles it seems to 
me.

> Phil Henshaw wrote:
> > The ideal product of democracy is decision making that reflects a 
whole understanding of things by integrating all points of view.   
Trouble develops when the points of view that believe in suppressing 
all others take over.   
> >   
> I have my doubts about the evolutionary value of democracy in the 
modern 
> world.   For example, in the corporate world the motivation is 
supplied 
> by stockholders and the points of view are supplied by employees.  
> Worse, the corporate leaders, workers, and stockholders are all 
> different people, disinterested in the welfare of one another.   
> Complicating matters is that the corporations have the ear of 
> government.  Democracy in these kinds of conditions requires 
individual 
> courage and idealism.
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