Hey, all! There were so many copies of copies of copies of copies in the last sequence of messages that I could not find one of the messages, try as I might. Is there any way, other than NOT using reply and quoting by hand, to avoid this effect?
Nick > [Original Message] > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 12/10/2006 3:36:56 PM > Subject: Friam Digest, Vol 42, Issue 19 > > Send Friam mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Friam digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: cf "COLLAPSE" and Easter Island (Nicholas Thompson) > 2. Re: cf "COLLAPSE" and Easter Island (Mikhail Gorelkin) > 3. Re: Democracy and evolution (Mikhail Gorelkin) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 12:36:43 -0500 > From: "Nicholas Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] cf "COLLAPSE" and Easter Island > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > THE PROBLEMS:: > 1. societies overspend on infrastructure, and infrastructure costs rise > faster than GDP, till all surplus is used up and a cost overshoot happens.. > > 2. Elites own the infrastructure business and so are motivated to not cut > back on costs. > > THE SOLUTION: > > 1. Progressive Taxation > > 2. Universal Education. > > And one or both of: > > 3a. Randomization of babies at birth > > 3b. 100 percent death tax. > > It's so easy! > > Nick > > > [Original Message] > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Date: 12/10/2006 12:00:37 PM > > Subject: Friam Digest, Vol 42, Issue 18 > > > > Send Friam mailing list submissions to > > [email protected] > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Friam digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Growth and Climate Change (Marcus G. Daniels) > > 2. Re: Democracy and evolution (Douglass Carmichael) > > 3. Re: Democracy and evolution ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 14:02:36 -0700 > > From: "Marcus G. Daniels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Growth and Climate Change > > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > > <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > Robert Cordingley wrote: > > > > > Here's a story to remind us to do full life cycle accounting of > > > environmental improvements (with apologies to all the Prius owners in > > > SF and the batteries they use) > > > > http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_ > id=417227&in_page_id=1770 > > > > > I understand that the 2008 Prius will use lithium batteries, not Ni-MH. > > Not enough uumph? Then set your sights on one of these: > > http://www.teslamotors.com > > > > Also of perhaps of interest: http://www.valence.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 19:50:19 -0800 > > From: "Douglass Carmichael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Democracy and evolution > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee > > Group'" <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Phil, I have been thinking about your comment that you will say something > > with implications and nobody responds, like your comment about an > economic > > expansion based on our success till we collapse our environment by eating > up > > our own surround. And then you raise the question of bomb hardening of > > buildings... > > > > What of the work of Joseph Tainter, The Collapse of Complex Societies..? > > > > To ideas he has > > 1. societies overspend on infrastructure, and infrastructure costs rise > > faster than GDP, till all surplus is used up and a cost overshoot > happens.. > > > > 2. Elites own the infrastructure business and so are motivated to not cut > > back on costs. > > > > Your two ideas seem to fit this. Can a smarter human community avoid the > > evolutionary failures? > > > > Any contact with Tainter? I really admire his work. He has been at the SF > > Institute.. > > > > Doug Carmichael > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf > > Of Phil Henshaw > > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 10:58 AM > > To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' > > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Democracy and evolution > > > > well... sort of... For one of a million examples, if we multiply our > > impacts on the earth by adding 10 billion people this century, how much > > is that relieved by sending 50 or 100 people off to live somewhere else > > if they can??? Sometimes we should look at the numbers and the timing > > of things. > > > > It may raise more questons than it answers,... but another one I like is > > estimating the value of the bomb hardening of federal buildings, like > > the one I'm building now, a big courthouse. It probably adds at least > > 10 million to the cost. If you guess there are at least 5000 higher > > priority targets for terrorists in the US than a courthouse in > > Mississippi, and terrorists wipe out one a year like clock work, that > > means it'll be at least 5000 years before they get around to mine. > > Given that the lifetime of the building is expected to be 100 years it's > > apparent that nature will build and destroy it at least 50 times before > > a terrorist does, and the lost opportunity cost of $10 million for 5000 > > years the way you normally calculate it at 3.5% return is 1.8*10^84. > > That's a lot of bread!! > > > > > > Phil Henshaw ????.?? ? `?.???? > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > 680 Ft. Washington Ave > > NY NY 10040 > > tel: 212-795-4844 > > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > explorations: www.synapse9.com > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marcus G. Daniels > > > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 12:28 AM > > > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > > > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Democracy and evolution > > > > > > > > > Phil Henshaw wrote: > > > > > > >We're simply not making a world that's possible to operate in a huge > > > >variety of ways. > > > > > > > > > > > Here's one way to delay the apocalypse.. > > > > > http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/11/30/space.hawking.reut/index.html > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > > > > > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/580 - Release Date: 12/8/2006 > > 12:53 PM > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/580 - Release Date: 12/8/2006 > > 12:53 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 23:38:34 EST > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Democracy and evolution > > To: [email protected] > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Phil et al: I believe one of the key "popular" books which addresses > these > > issues of continuing economic expansion based on an exploitation of > natural > > resources with no regard to the environment and the natural systems on > which we > > all depend, is Jared Diamond's Collapse. In my mind, the economic > systems > > that we have produced cannot continue much longer and, if not us, our > children > > and grandchildren will face a much different, more difficult, more > dangerous > > world. The proper use of some of our existing tools, such as > communication, > > computers, modeling, complexity/chaos theories may help if they are > properly > > applied and not just used to reinforce the current systems. > > > > For those of you who heard Ian's presentation on group animal movement, > we > > might consider humanity to be more akin to locusts, who form swarms out > of > > individual hunger and by biting their neighbors to move the group. > Sigh. > > Something to think about anyway. > > > > Paul Paryski > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > /pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20061209/ff6fddbb/attachment-0001.h > tml > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Friam mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > > > > > End of Friam Digest, Vol 42, Issue 18 > > ************************************* > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:26:24 -0500 > From: "Mikhail Gorelkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] cf "COLLAPSE" and Easter Island > To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > 2) Elites are not interested in Universal Education. > > 3b) How's about Progressive Death Taxation? :-) > > > > -Mikhail > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nicholas Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 12:36 PM > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] cf "COLLAPSE" and Easter Island > > > > THE PROBLEMS:: > > 1. societies overspend on infrastructure, and infrastructure costs rise > > faster than GDP, till all surplus is used up and a cost overshoot > > happens.. > > > > 2. Elites own the infrastructure business and so are motivated to not cut > > back on costs. > > > > THE SOLUTION: > > > > 1. Progressive Taxation > > > > 2. Universal Education. > > > > And one or both of: > > > > 3a. Randomization of babies at birth > > > > 3b. 100 percent death tax. > > > > It's so easy! > > > > Nick > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Date: 12/10/2006 12:00:37 PM > >> Subject: Friam Digest, Vol 42, Issue 18 > >> > >> Send Friam mailing list submissions to > >> [email protected] > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of Friam digest..." > >> > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. Re: Growth and Climate Change (Marcus G. Daniels) > >> 2. Re: Democracy and evolution (Douglass Carmichael) > >> 3. Re: Democracy and evolution ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 14:02:36 -0700 > >> From: "Marcus G. Daniels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Growth and Climate Change > >> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > >> <[email protected]> > >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >> > >> Robert Cordingley wrote: > >> > >> > Here's a story to remind us to do full life cycle accounting of > >> > environmental improvements (with apologies to all the Prius owners in > >> > SF and the batteries they use) > >> > > > http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_ > > id=417227&in_page_id=1770 > >> > > >> I understand that the 2008 Prius will use lithium batteries, not Ni-MH. > >> Not enough uumph? Then set your sights on one of these: > >> http://www.teslamotors.com > >> > >> Also of perhaps of interest: http://www.valence.com > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 2 > >> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 19:50:19 -0800 > >> From: "Douglass Carmichael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Democracy and evolution > >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee > >> Group'" <[email protected]> > >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> > >> Phil, I have been thinking about your comment that you will say something > >> with implications and nobody responds, like your comment about an > > economic > >> expansion based on our success till we collapse our environment by eating > > up > >> our own surround. And then you raise the question of bomb hardening of > >> buildings... > >> > >> What of the work of Joseph Tainter, The Collapse of Complex Societies..? > >> > >> To ideas he has > >> 1. societies overspend on infrastructure, and infrastructure costs rise > >> faster than GDP, till all surplus is used up and a cost overshoot > > happens.. > >> > >> 2. Elites own the infrastructure business and so are motivated to not cut > >> back on costs. > >> > >> Your two ideas seem to fit this. Can a smarter human community avoid the > >> evolutionary failures? > >> > >> Any contact with Tainter? I really admire his work. He has been at the SF > >> Institute.. > >> > >> Doug Carmichael > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf > >> Of Phil Henshaw > >> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 10:58 AM > >> To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' > >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Democracy and evolution > >> > >> well... sort of... For one of a million examples, if we multiply our > >> impacts on the earth by adding 10 billion people this century, how much > >> is that relieved by sending 50 or 100 people off to live somewhere else > >> if they can??? Sometimes we should look at the numbers and the timing > >> of things. > >> > >> It may raise more questons than it answers,... but another one I like is > >> estimating the value of the bomb hardening of federal buildings, like > >> the one I'm building now, a big courthouse. It probably adds at least > >> 10 million to the cost. If you guess there are at least 5000 higher > >> priority targets for terrorists in the US than a courthouse in > >> Mississippi, and terrorists wipe out one a year like clock work, that > >> means it'll be at least 5000 years before they get around to mine. > >> Given that the lifetime of the building is expected to be 100 years it's > >> apparent that nature will build and destroy it at least 50 times before > >> a terrorist does, and the lost opportunity cost of $10 million for 5000 > >> years the way you normally calculate it at 3.5% return is 1.8*10^84. > >> That's a lot of bread!! > >> > >> > >> Phil Henshaw ????.?? ? `?.???? > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> 680 Ft. Washington Ave > >> NY NY 10040 > >> tel: 212-795-4844 > >> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> explorations: www.synapse9.com > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marcus G. Daniels > >> > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 12:28 AM > >> > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > >> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Democracy and evolution > >> > > >> > > >> > Phil Henshaw wrote: > >> > > >> > >We're simply not making a world that's possible to operate in a huge > >> > >variety of ways. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Here's one way to delay the apocalypse.. > >> > > >> http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/11/30/space.hawking.reut/index.html > >> > >> ============================================================ > >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > >> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ============================================================ > >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > >> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/580 - Release Date: > >> 12/8/2006 > >> 12:53 PM > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this outgoing message. > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/580 - Release Date: > >> 12/8/2006 > >> 12:53 PM > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 3 > >> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 23:38:34 EST > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Democracy and evolution > >> To: [email protected] > >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >> > >> Phil et al: I believe one of the key "popular" books which addresses > > these > >> issues of continuing economic expansion based on an exploitation of > > natural > >> resources with no regard to the environment and the natural systems on > > which we > >> all depend, is Jared Diamond's Collapse. In my mind, the economic > > systems > >> that we have produced cannot continue much longer and, if not us, our > > children > >> and grandchildren will face a much different, more difficult, more > > dangerous > >> world. The proper use of some of our existing tools, such as > > communication, > >> computers, modeling, complexity/chaos theories may help if they are > > properly > >> applied and not just used to reinforce the current systems. > >> > >> For those of you who heard Ian's presentation on group animal movement, > > we > >> might consider humanity to be more akin to locusts, who form swarms out > > of > >> individual hunger and by biting their neighbors to move the group. > > Sigh. > >> Something to think about anyway. > >> > >> Paul Paryski > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: > > /pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20061209/ff6fddbb/attachment-0001.h > > tml > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Friam mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > >> > >> > >> End of Friam Digest, Vol 42, Issue 18 > >> ************************************* > > > > > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:36:30 -0500 > From: "Mikhail Gorelkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Democracy and evolution > To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > One more aspect of democracy: it was Western Elites' response to USSR's > Social Project. --Mikhail > > > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. Re: Growth and Climate Change (Marcus G. Daniels) > >> 2. Re: Democracy and evolution (Douglass Carmichael) > >> 3. Re: Democracy and evolution ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 14:02:36 -0700 > >> From: "Marcus G. Daniels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Growth and Climate Change > >> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > >> <[email protected]> > >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >> > >> Robert Cordingley wrote: > >> > >> > Here's a story to remind us to do full life cycle accounting of > >> > environmental improvements (with apologies to all the Prius owners in > >> > SF and the batteries they use) > >> > > > http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_ > > id=417227&in_page_id=1770 > >> > > >> I understand that the 2008 Prius will use lithium batteries, not Ni-MH. > >> Not enough uumph? Then set your sights on one of these: > >> http://www.teslamotors.com > >> > >> Also of perhaps of interest: http://www.valence.com > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 2 > >> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 19:50:19 -0800 > >> From: "Douglass Carmichael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Democracy and evolution > >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee > >> Group'" <[email protected]> > >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> > >> Phil, I have been thinking about your comment that you will say something > >> with implications and nobody responds, like your comment about an > > economic > >> expansion based on our success till we collapse our environment by eating > > up > >> our own surround. And then you raise the question of bomb hardening of > >> buildings... > >> > >> What of the work of Joseph Tainter, The Collapse of Complex Societies..? > >> > >> To ideas he has > >> 1. societies overspend on infrastructure, and infrastructure costs rise > >> faster than GDP, till all surplus is used up and a cost overshoot > > happens.. > >> > >> 2. Elites own the infrastructure business and so are motivated to not cut > >> back on costs. > >> > >> Your two ideas seem to fit this. Can a smarter human community avoid the > >> evolutionary failures? > >> > >> Any contact with Tainter? I really admire his work. He has been at the SF > >> Institute.. > >> > >> Doug Carmichael > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf > >> Of Phil Henshaw > >> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 10:58 AM > >> To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' > >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Democracy and evolution > >> > >> well... sort of... For one of a million examples, if we multiply our > >> impacts on the earth by adding 10 billion people this century, how much > >> is that relieved by sending 50 or 100 people off to live somewhere else > >> if they can??? Sometimes we should look at the numbers and the timing > >> of things. > >> > >> It may raise more questons than it answers,... but another one I like is > >> estimating the value of the bomb hardening of federal buildings, like > >> the one I'm building now, a big courthouse. It probably adds at least > >> 10 million to the cost. If you guess there are at least 5000 higher > >> priority targets for terrorists in the US than a courthouse in > >> Mississippi, and terrorists wipe out one a year like clock work, that > >> means it'll be at least 5000 years before they get around to mine. > >> Given that the lifetime of the building is expected to be 100 years it's > >> apparent that nature will build and destroy it at least 50 times before > >> a terrorist does, and the lost opportunity cost of $10 million for 5000 > >> years the way you normally calculate it at 3.5% return is 1.8*10^84. > >> That's a lot of bread!! > >> > >> > >> Phil Henshaw ????.?? ? `?.???? > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> 680 Ft. Washington Ave > >> NY NY 10040 > >> tel: 212-795-4844 > >> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> explorations: www.synapse9.com > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marcus G. Daniels > >> > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 12:28 AM > >> > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > >> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Democracy and evolution > >> > > >> > > >> > Phil Henshaw wrote: > >> > > >> > >We're simply not making a world that's possible to operate in a huge > >> > >variety of ways. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Here's one way to delay the apocalypse.. > >> > > >> http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/11/30/space.hawking.reut/index.html > >> > >> ============================================================ > >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > >> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ============================================================ > >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > >> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/580 - Release Date: > >> 12/8/2006 > >> 12:53 PM > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this outgoing message. > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/580 - Release Date: > >> 12/8/2006 > >> 12:53 PM > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 3 > >> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 23:38:34 EST > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Democracy and evolution > >> To: [email protected] > >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >> > >> Phil et al: I believe one of the key "popular" books which addresses > > these > >> issues of continuing economic expansion based on an exploitation of > > natural > >> resources with no regard to the environment and the natural systems on > > which we > >> all depend, is Jared Diamond's Collapse. In my mind, the economic > > systems > >> that we have produced cannot continue much longer and, if not us, our > > children > >> and grandchildren will face a much different, more difficult, more > > dangerous > >> world. The proper use of some of our existing tools, such as > > communication, > >> computers, modeling, complexity/chaos theories may help if they are > > properly > >> applied and not just used to reinforce the current systems. > >> > >> For those of you who heard Ian's presentation on group animal movement, > > we > >> might consider humanity to be more akin to locusts, who form swarms out > > of > >> individual hunger and by biting their neighbors to move the group. > > Sigh. > >> Something to think about anyway. > >> > >> Paul Paryski > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: > > /pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20061209/ff6fddbb/attachment-0001.h > > tml > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Friam mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > >> > >> > >> End of Friam Digest, Vol 42, Issue 18 > >> ************************************* > > > > > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Friam mailing list > [email protected] > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > > End of Friam Digest, Vol 42, Issue 19 > ************************************* ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
